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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:08 am to patchesohoulihan_007
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:08 am to patchesohoulihan_007
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What exactly are you saying....there is a cover up? Or that we should be going door to door demanding people submit to tests.
I'm saying that if we want to know how many cases there are of this virus in the US, we have to do wider testing for it in people who have symptoms compatible with the disease. No need to go door to door, test at least some of the ones who present with the symptoms. Test people who end up in the ICU with potential viral pneumonia.
As compared to influenza, the US has virtually no epidemiological data for Covid-19. We have very little idea how many people are contracting the virus and getting sick, or how fast the virus is spreading, if at all. The only way to get that information in a timely manner is by testing sick patients, not just a handful of people with exposure history.
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you really think if there was a conspiracy for a coverup the doctor or doctors wouldn’t blow the doors off to the media. If you think in this political climate every doctor, or whoever for that matter, would sit back and agree to not test for CV and pass up the chance to ruin this admin you’ve lost your mind.
The testing protocol appears to be very straightforward and limited in scope. If a person (sick or not) is identified as having travelled to Wuhan (or the province), or been in close contact with someone who has, or been in close contact to one of 15 known cases, then a test is performed by the CDC. 426 tests so far means that physicians have not had or used the option to test patients who present in a hospital or office setting, based on clinical criteria. Whether they like that setup or not, I have no idea.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 8:15 am
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Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:09 am to WaWaWeeWa
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It’s obviously a judgement call wether you want to believe that or not. I just personally choose to ignore anecdotal evidence in times like these unless it’s overwhelming.
I would disagree on the “want to believe” part, but that’s fair.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:13 am to CivilTiger83
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2% would be a big deal relative to the flu’s 0.2% rate.
Absolutely, I didn’t mean to downplay it. This would be a disaster if spread starts unchecked. I was just implying that it is in line with the numbers China gave us. It makes these stories of “mutations” and “re-infections” look like non sense.
A 2% mortality of a virus this contagious would send this country and worldwide economy into a tailspin if it can’t be controlled. If it was up to me I would have stopped nonessential international travel weeks ago. We still have a few slim chances of hope in warmer months ahead and remdesivir.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:21 am to Volvagia
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I love you Qer tin foil fools that sit back and assume government conspiracy, new world order, etc on everything.
I love you fools who sit back and lump everyone who disagrees with you into some odd category of conspiracy theorists. Makes your life simple if everyone else is deranged.
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here you are trying to have your cake and eat it too. Even if you want to assume it’s already here, you can’t both attribute the effect of its presence as being indiscernible from the frequency and severity of flu, AND of it being a highly contagious and virulent virus worthy of attention and subsequent coverup.
We've had repeated documentation of the very large numbers of seasonal flu cases (and deaths) in this country. In the early stages of an outbreak, cases of a new virus that causes respiratory illness could easily be buried within that population of tens of millions.
So are you saying that you know Covid-19 is not highly contagious? Or are you saying that it is highly contagious but doesn't travel on airplanes? Or that the US population has some known immunity?
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 8:37 am
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:40 am to slackster
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Think of some of the things we heard out of New Orleans post Katrina
I remember reports of cannibalism in the Super Dome on day 2.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:46 am to Volvagia
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anyone that is already certified by CLIA to run high complexity tests can request test kits from the CDC
Problems with CDC Coronavirus Tests
I am reading, the CDC test kits are not working, in this article.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 9:04 am
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:49 am to wdhalgren
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We've had repeated documentation of the very large numbers of seasonal flu cases (and deaths) in this country. In the early stages of an outbreak, cases of a new virus that causes respiratory illness could easily be buried within that population of tens of millions.
That data is tracked in a couple of databases and it is constantly compared to previous years data to look for unusual trends. I've posted this numerous times but those reviewing that aren't noticing any unusual tends that would suggest a surge in undetected bCOVID19 cases out there in the health system. Flu cases drop off drastically as we move into March, so if there are emerging undetected COVOD19 cases out there then it should become obvious pretty quickly in the data.
Somewhat related,
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Lindenhurst High School students return from trip to Italy with flu-like symptoms
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In a letter to parents, the Lindenhurst school superintendent says the symptoms the students are showing are not the same symptoms of the coronavirus.
LINK
This seems like a case that should demand testing.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 9:00 am
Posted on 2/25/20 at 9:05 am to rds dc
Yea those kids need to be tested. The symptoms are milder in children.
Also, there are specific findings on chest CT that can separate coronavirus from Flu. We do a lot of cheat CTs in this country if you have pneumonia type symptoms. I guarantee you if doctors were seeing a lot of these atypical findings they would be demanding testing, for their safety as well.
Also, there are specific findings on chest CT that can separate coronavirus from Flu. We do a lot of cheat CTs in this country if you have pneumonia type symptoms. I guarantee you if doctors were seeing a lot of these atypical findings they would be demanding testing, for their safety as well.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 9:16 am to WaWaWeeWa
I went to the doctor Sunday in Baton Rouge for a severe cold. Every doctor and nurse was masked and gloved. General precautions were in place and it was obvious they were serious.
The first questions they asked were if I had traveled out of the country or had contact with anyone who had.
The first questions they asked were if I had traveled out of the country or had contact with anyone who had.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 9:18 am
Posted on 2/25/20 at 9:26 am to rds dc
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That data is tracked in a couple of databases and it is constantly compared to previous years data to look for unusual trends. I've posted this numerous times but those reviewing that aren't noticing any unusual tends that would suggest a surge in undetected bCOVID19 cases out there in the health system.
I saw your posts and appreciate the intelligent response, but that method won't find much evidence because of the low level of influenza testing. I believe Slackster has posted the number somewhere in this thread, but basically a very small fraction of suspected influenza cases are tested. The great majorit are diagnosed clinically and treated as influenza.
Since Covid is still undeniably a relatively rare occurence, the odds of picking up meaningful information about Covid numbers at this point using negative influenza tests are not good.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 9:28 am
Posted on 2/25/20 at 9:44 am to WaWaWeeWa
I thought Dr. Gottlieb on CNBC gave a good breakdown on the virus and addressed many of the questions that have been asked on here the past couple of days.
CNBC Video on Coronavirus from Today
CNBC Video on Coronavirus from Today
Posted on 2/25/20 at 9:52 am to wdhalgren
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I love you fools who sit back and lump everyone who disagrees with you into some odd category of conspiracy theorists. Makes your life simple if everyone else is deranged.
Yeah. Because I just slapped a label on you. Never mind you literally did exactly what I accused you of in this thread, assuming a master plan and degrading anyone who doubt it. Yep. Jumped straight to that conclusion.
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We've had repeated documentation of the very large numbers of seasonal flu cases (and deaths) in this country. In the early stages of an outbreak, cases of a new virus that causes respiratory illness could easily be buried within that population of millions.
Except while case numbers are high, the severity markers for influenza this season (hospitalization rate/death rate) are actually relatively lower.
So we are right back where my either/or statement was with stating that if it is already broken containment and rampant in the US, is the same as saying the disease is indistinguishable from the flu on a clinical basis.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 10:28 am
Posted on 2/25/20 at 9:56 am to Volvagia
Iran's deputy health minister did a press conference yesterday to update everybody. He was wiping sweat the whole time. Turns out he has tested positive. Pretty sure we know why it's spreading there now. 
Posted on 2/25/20 at 9:58 am to lsu13lsu
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I am reading, the CDC test kits are not working, in this article.
That’s not what the article said (nor is the news new; same story from a few weeks ago).
It said there was a problem with one of the reagents and as a result not all of the test kits are valid.
It should be noticed that the error is caught with the packaged controls so it’s not a case of false positive or negatives on the results.
Only new bit I see is that they still haven’t shipped the corrected oligos so the fact that the CDC has an option entry page to request test kits might be irrelevant.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 10:30 am
Posted on 2/25/20 at 10:02 am to wdhalgren
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426 tests so far means that physicians have not had or used the option to test patients who present in a hospital or office setting, based on clinical criteria. Whether they like that setup or not, I have no idea.
It’s not just a question of them liking it.
How’d you like a 250-400 dollar test to hit your deductible just because you have a head cold with none of the exposure risk factors?
Posted on 2/25/20 at 10:05 am to CivilTiger83
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Here is a firsthand Chinese account from an older woman who was sick with the coronavirus. She said her husband didn't make it, and they put him in a plastic bag while he was still alive. And she saw others that were in critical condition sent to be incinerated before they had died. Obviously I can't confirm the translation, but that was the English translation.
let's look a little closer at the watermark:
jenniferatntd --> Jennifer at ntd
What does NTD stand for?
New Tang Dynasty - which is a media company run by practicioners of Falun Gong which was persecuted by the Chinese government.
They have a bit of a bias; and they've made some questionable claims before:
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In January 2020, NTD's Japanese channel shared a video on YouTube of a Chinese doctor collapsing in the operating room; it falsely asserted that the doctor was in Wuhan and had collapsed from coronavirus. A fact check by France 24 found that the original video had been published by The Beijing News, of a doctor who had collapsed from overwork and hypoglycemia, not coronavirus, and that the video was filmed in Yunnan province, which at the time had reported no cases of COVID-19.[30]
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 10:06 am
Posted on 2/25/20 at 10:06 am to rds dc
From the infectious diseases at STAT News (health & medicine)
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Not good news: @WHO's Bruce Aylward says that the #Covid19 mission did not find evidence of lots of undetected mild cases. If that's true, the severity of the illness is what is being seen now.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 10:16 am to frankthetank
We already know that the supposed sulfur dioxide release from cremated bodies was actually a weather/air quality forecast. Wuhan has been home to a very major steel mill, old fashioned coal open hearth style with little to no pollution controls. That is why the forecast often has large quantity of sulfur dioxide and other airborne sulfur compounds in it.
Everyone in Wuhan should have compromised respiratory systems from the air pollution there. It is easy to see how any infection could take hold and easily spread with bad results there.
Everyone in Wuhan should have compromised respiratory systems from the air pollution there. It is easy to see how any infection could take hold and easily spread with bad results there.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 10:18 am to rds dc
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Maybe most important (and bad) news: Aylward says mission found no evidence of lots of undetected mild #covid19 cases. That would mean percentage of severe cases and percentage of deaths we’re seeing now is real. Not what anyone wanted to hear.
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