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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:50 am to
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:50 am to
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I think she got too much tamiflu


Are you saying you don't find it credible at all?

The CCP will put people in jail if they participate in a non-state sanctioned religious group or speak out against the government. This is an evil, totalitarian regime.

The people of China and the CCP are two very different things.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:53 am to
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I think I’ll listen to a few retired Doctors


Unless these retired doctors are somehow involved with the work on the virus, their opinion is just as invalid as ours.
Posted by Dominate308
South Florida
Member since Jan 2013
2895 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:04 am to
At some point this tread will go silent. Everyone will be at Sams or Costco standing in line.
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
16391 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:07 am to
I have determined that bourbon is an effective deterrent for this virus.

I drink it and I have not been infected.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11824 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:11 am to
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So, you believe there's one Oz Behind the Curtain person who is making decisions for every hospital and medical clinic in the country? And telling them not to test for a particular infectious disease?


Can every doctor and hospital test for this virus?
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:18 am to
In Italy 283 infected and 7 deaths. That is a bad number for a Western country. I am sure those 7 are mostly elderly or those with preexisting conditions, but the number of deaths will lag the number of cases.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:25 am to
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Here is a firsthand Chinese account from an older woman who was sick with the coronavirus. She said her husband didn't make it, and they put him in a plastic bag while he was still alive. And she saw others that were in critical condition sent to be incinerated before they had died.


Seems unlikely.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53483 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:27 am to
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Can every doctor and hospital test for this virus?



Essentially.

Maybe not at the PCP level, but anyone that is already certified by CLIA to run high complexity tests can request test kits from the CDC, each containing the reagents to do around 700 tests via RT-PCR.

Don’t have numbers but I would assume all mid-major hospitals and above have this level of certification in house, as well as 3rd party testing companies like Quest Diagnostics

EDIT: it appears that this is false as of now. While the above is free to request the kits, they still haven’t resolved the issue with one of the reagents.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 10:01 am
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21552 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:28 am to
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The US either has either chosen not to test to avoid a panic, or we don't have the ability. Or, if you're gullible, we're so much more advanced than the rest of the world that we can accurately model these brand new virus numbers and skip the testing.


The CDC absolutely wanted more test data by this point but they fumbled the test roll out to the state labs. Remember, at one point there was only one CDC site running test and then the CDC tried to get testing setup in each state but then it was determined that the test kits were flawed. I believe that there are now three sites running test but that is still far below an optimum capacity. However, as of right now it doesn't appear to be an issue. I posted the below yesterday.

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In the US, researchers have access to data on influenza like illness that test negative for influenza. The people reviewing that data are not, as of a couple of days ago, seeing anything that suggest that there are significant numbers of undetected COVID19 cases out there. CDC would like to see more actual test results but there is nothing out there suggesting that we are about to see a situation like Iran or Italy (COVID19 diagnoses and deaths on the same day) pop up in a major US city. Iran & Italy both should have noticed an uptick in ILIs 10 - 14 days before actually seeing any deaths from COVID19, based on what we know at this time.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21552 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:31 am to
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BREAKING: Bahrain reports 9 new cases of coronavirus, raising total there to 17 cases in just 1 day; all are linked to Iran
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:42 am to
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Seems unlikely.


Seems unlikely in the West, yes. I don't think most on here get exactly how the CCP operates. Its so foreign to our way of life that people don't understand how brutal the CCP can be.

It's possible that she is wrong or was misinterpreted, but I wouldn't discount it out of hand. This also isn't an isolated case of state brutality... it fits a pattern that has been documented many times in China.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21552 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:43 am to
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So you think you’re about to be in a pandemic?




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Currently, disease spread in Singapore is being slowed by their expertise but new case numbers in South Korea, Italy and Iran, and the wide national distribution of cases in Japan are all signs that the virus is ahead of our efforts to contain it.


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At some point, we’ll be in the main phase of a pandemic; epidemics of an efficiently transmitting pathogen spreading widely within the community of two or more countries, apart from the first one to report it.[1] A pandemic doesn’t necessarily mean the disease is severe. 


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Planning now and doing something means we can control how well we cope with some of what may be coming.


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But what can we plan for and do?

Let’s break this into two main categories.

Reducing our risk of being infected

Reducing the chance we will run out of essential foods and goods




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Pandemic is a word, how we react to it is down to us

We all want to have some control over our lives but when a virus comes knocking as this one is, we feel the loss of that control. The lists above are something we can actually do.




LINK

The above is from a respected expert that does a good job in the area of risk communication. It's a worthwhile read if you have the time.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:43 am to
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Are you saying you don't find it credible at all?


Yea I’m not going to believe anything like that from twitter especially when the numbers we are seeing outside of China are matching up pretty closely with what we were given inside of China.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:50 am to
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Seems unlikely in the West, yes. I don't think most on here get exactly how the CCP operates. Its so foreign to our way of life that people don't understand how brutal the CCP can be.

It's possible that she is wrong or was misinterpreted, but I wouldn't discount it out of hand. This also isn't an isolated case of state brutality... it fits a pattern that has been documented many times in China.


I think, in times of chaos, people are prone to some pretty absurd first hand accounts. Think of some of the things we heard out of New Orleans post Katrina - the truth was bad enough, but then you've got Chris Kyle sniping 30 people off the Superdome stories.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:55 am to
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In Italy 283 infected and 7 deaths. That is a bad number for a Western country. I am sure those 7 are mostly elderly or those with preexisting conditions, but the number of deaths will lag the number of cases.


Exactly 2.4%

In line with everything that has been predicted. Yes the death rate will lag some but so will the asymptomatic undetected infections.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:02 am to
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Yea I’m not going to believe anything like that from twitter especially when the numbers we are seeing outside of China are matching up pretty closely with what we were given inside of China.


Everywhere else is 2 months behind China, and she said nothing about the numbers of infected.

Why would she make up a blatant lie when she is risking her own safety by making that claim?

Again - it’s possible it was misinterpreted or she thought her husband was still alive when he wasn’t.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:04 am to
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Exactly 2.4%

In line with everything that has been predicted. Yes the death rate will lag some but so will the asymptomatic undetected infections.


2% would be a big deal relative to the flu’s 0.2% rate.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:04 am to
It’s obviously a judgement call wether you want to believe that or not. I just personally choose to ignore anecdotal evidence in times like these unless it’s overwhelming.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
25835 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:07 am to


Per this thread - 184,000,000 people should die from this.
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
Member since Jul 2010
61238 posts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:08 am to
This will be a very good year for funeral home and crematory stocks!
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