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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:04 am to
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21556 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:04 am to
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New research based on data gathered from more than 1,000 coronavirus patients in China found that the incubation period for the virus was as long as 24 days r


We are seeing more reports of people testing negative days after potential exposure and then testing positive in that window beyond 14 days.
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
11026 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:22 am to
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Virus may have spread through sewer pipes.

There’s an ‘Explained’ episode on nexflix called ‘The Next Pandemic’ and it talks about how sars spread through sewer pipes and air vents. And this looks to be more contagious than sars so I’m not surprised.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 10:22 am
Posted by bbrownso
Member since Mar 2008
8985 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:33 am to
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New research based on data gathered from more than 1,000 coronavirus patients in China found that the incubation period for the virus was as long as 24 days rather than the previously believed 14 days, and fewer than half of the patients showed fever symptoms when they first saw doctors.

Yet they found the median incubation period to be 3 days while acknowledging "some cases had incomplete documentation of the exposure history, symptoms and laboratory testing given the variation in the structure of electronic database among different participating site and the urgent timeline for data extraction."

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In summary, 2019-nCoV elicits a rapid spread of outbreak with human-to-human transmission, with a median incubation period of 3 days and a relatively low fatality rate
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:42 am to
Nick Short
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quote:

Retweeted
Nick Short
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@PoliticalShort
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Feb 8
DYK that "Wuhan has China's only biosafety level 4 super laboratory that works with the worlds most deadly pathogens that include #coronavirus." @SenTomCotton
explains


Tom Cotton breaking some things down in a short video

LINK
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 10:49 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105334 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:48 am to
Xi: containment efforts have gone too far, could hurt economy LINK
Posted by Landmass
Premium Member
Member since Jun 2013
25600 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:52 am to
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In summary, 2019-nCoV elicits a rapid spread of outbreak with human-to-human transmission, with a median incubation period of 3 days and a relatively low fatality rate


Yeah, China is going ape-shite by killing their economy, locking down 400 million people, and spending into oblivion because of a low fatality rate and only about 900 people dead. Wake me up when the real numbers come out. I suspect that tens or hundreds of thousands have died.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:54 am to
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Xi told local officials during a Feb 3 meeting of the Politburo’s Standing Committee that some of the actions taken to contain the virus are harming the economy


That's the same day I got an email from my supplier in Wuhan saying they were starting back to work.

hhhmmmmm
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11825 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:54 am to
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Xi: containment efforts have gone too far, could hurt economy


Probably should have considered the economy after SARS and cleaned up those markets, etc.
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:00 am to
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BREAKING: The new coronavirus will be called COVID-19, according to the World Health Organization
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11825 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:01 am to
China doing work. They do not want it called WuhanVirus or ChinaVirus or be associated with China at all.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
39764 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:06 am to
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suspect that tens or hundreds of thousands have died.


You think hundred of thousands of people have died and they’ve kept that under wraps?
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
Member since Aug 2014
18181 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:08 am to
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China doing work.


they can do work all they want. We all know where it came from.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11960 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:10 am to
W.H.O. and the Chinese Gubment (sic) has comments about how WHO responded to the Chinese Governments action: words AND deeds.

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Yet Ghebreyesus sounded as though he was more concerned with not hurting Beijing’s feelings when he made the belated announcement. He went out of his way to emphasize that the WHO declaration “is not a vote of no confidence in China.” On Twitter, he claimed, “In many ways, China is actually setting new standards for outbreak response.”


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Ghebreyesus was probably referring to the Chinese government’s ability to build a hospital in 10 days, lock down a dozen cities, and quarantine close to 60 million people. Ghebreyesus fails to recognize that such dramatic actions are, as Chinese PhD student Yangyang Chen writes, “more about projecting state power than protecting public health.”

Before admiring the “efficiency” and scales dictators operate on, we should always ask, “At what costs?” For example, how are people obtaining food and medical care when all public transportation and most gas stations have been shut down? The answer is: many aren’t.


It goes on to consider that Taiwan has been cut off from learning first hand from some of the Corona meetings.

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As of now, Taiwan has 13 confirmed coronavirus cases. Taiwanese officials have been complaining that they couldn’t get firsthand information from WHO because WHO lumps Taiwan with mainland China. The Wall Street Journal reports that “The WHO has held two emergency meetings since the coronavirus outbreak. Taiwan wasn’t permitted to attend, despite its proximity to China and its handful of confirmed cases.


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WHO’s keenness to promote Beijing’s interests is the result of Beijing’s deliberate strategy. Beijing has focused on increasing its influence in international organizations like WHO for years. While Beijing is not a big donor to WHO’s coffers (Beijing contributed only $18 million in 2018 versus the United States’ $90 million), Beijing has actively cultivated WHO in other ways: showering WHO officials with lavish trips and praise, promoting Beijing-approved candidates to take leadership positions in the organization; and lobbying the organization to do Beijing’s bidding.

Last May, the World Health Assembly, WHO’s governing body, endorsed traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) for the first time, after years of heavy lobbying from China.


None of this matters to individuals who are waiting for test results. When this is over, maybe someone will remember this and try to separate politics from a health organization that seems to have a whole lot of banquets and well paid office people to a world health organization that at least attempts to be proactive rather than marginally reactive.
Posted by RunningBlake
Member since Aug 2011
4123 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:19 am to
Just glad w.h.o. is not stigmatizing a people or country.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53483 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:44 am to
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Tom Cotton breaking some things down in a short video


I mean, he listed a long group of legit possibilities. And then at the end he threw in a OH BTW THERE IS A BSL4 lab there. So it’s one of two things:

1)it’s unsubstantiated conjecture, phrased in terms of plausible deniability to try to make sound bytes appealing to voters at a marginal cost to US interests/foreign policy.

2)he has hard intel indicating it to be true, and speaking of it in a public forum, to the point that we know the research dossier, and is committing an act close to treason.

I wonder if anyone has told him (and all the rest who hooked on the BSL4 lab coincidence) that coronavirus isn’t even a BSL4 agent. It is rated as a BSL2 agent. MERS, with a mortality rate 10x this agent, is also a 2


CDC current recommendations for 2019-nCoV is to work with it under BSL2 conditions, with the exception of initial isolation active culture, which falls under BSL3 due to the uncertainties associated with the virus. All subsequent work is at BSL2.

LINK
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 11:45 am
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53483 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:48 am to
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Xi: containment efforts have gone too far, could hurt economy


Translation: initial response and draconian lockdowns were 100% an international PR move, and now they are pulling back even though the situation hasn’t changed.
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
Member since Aug 2014
18181 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:52 am to
3 kids are latest victims

We can see new death number each day and shake it off. But when you it kids in body bag, it hits you. Very hard to watch.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85161 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:04 pm to
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Very hard to watch.


Turned it off when they rolled the second one out... fricking depressing.

And to think, all of this was avoidable on multiple levels.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11960 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:12 pm to
Wonder where they stored the bodies long enough for rigor mortis to set in?
Somehow the whole thing bothered me a lot. And I know it's foolish to be bothered by each individual not getting his own body bag. And somewhere there are three families who have lost their only child, and grandparents who have lost their ownly grandchild.

Thank you for that link, a cold hard look.

eta Whoever captured and put this up on the web deserves a major award for making the disease very real.
The even smaller third child may be the saddest.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 1:00 pm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53483 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:35 pm to
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Wonder where they stored the bodies long enough for rigor mortis to set in?


Even a half day in a cooler is more than enough for that, between standard rigor and cold shortening.
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