re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

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if what you are saying is true than china must be sitting on hundreds of thousands of corpses.

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Why? You are assuming it behaves the same way in every population.

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they effectively stopped the spread by doing much the same thing every other country has now done - granted a more muscular version - but the same basic strategy all the same. the virus can be tamed. we stopped trying.

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You think they tamed a virus that has 70% asymptomatic rate when they have handfuls of cities with population densities that make New York look like Idaho? And successfully test traced and isolated it to extinction? Use your head. 70% asymptomatic!!

It started in Wuhan at least as early as November and no one even knew what it was or how to test for it at that time and you don’t think it was all over the Chinese mainland?

Come on man. There are a lot of possibilities but China taming this virus isn’t one of them. This virus did whatever it was going to do in China.

I stand corrected if that is true. The last time I looked at those figures two weeks ago or so we were not testing at that volume.

Anybody know the exception that is allowing US actors to travel to Europe? I've ran across two articles now that just causally mention Keanu being over there and now Chris Evans, despite US citizens being banned.

Money talks bullshite walks I suppose but was curious what other explanation possibly existed.

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herd immunity “unachieveable” without vaccines

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Then why didn’t it increase exponentially or come back after lockdowns were removed?

Something else is obviously at play. We can delay some spread with lockdowns but you can’t eradicate it. Spain definitely didn’t eradicate it.

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Looking back at that "study" posted in regards to Spain and whatnot...that's not even the Spanish study, it's a short review piece on seroprevalence from hotspots. We also knew those numbers back in May, as it was announced when they had preliminary results.

The data for the Spanish study were collected from April 27 to May 11, I'm sure things have changed greatly in those two months.

It shows what we already knew, seroprevalence is highest in the population centers.

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Various other countries have slowed its spread

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And so has america in multiple states at different times

Comparing a country like america to other countries is foolish. One state is more akin to one country.....

Listening to my weekly county public health COVID update call for healthcare facilities right now. They are giving updates and answering various questions facilities have.

Can’t speak for other states....but for AZ ONE case of COVID is ONE person testing positive for COVID. That person can have 10 positive COVID tests....they still only count as ONE case.

so for percent positive daily you will have repeats until they test negative?

Seems schools have opened safely in countries without skyrocketing positive cases.

What the US is up against now to convince enough people to support it is seeing the surge of current cases begin to drop significantly.

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Interesting read regarding negative tests not being reported as timely as positive tests from a small, local Florida paper(?).

Something I’ve brought up concerning percent positive climbs.

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The testing statistics are definitely murky.

We just have such ridiculously poor data since it's reported in such different ways all over. Some probably political but the main issue is that it's not organized from a nationwide level with very specific protocols.

The biggest mystery in testing numbers is exactly what that article regards about large companies etc:

When big companies, schools ect test rampantly and repetitively, how do you keep that data from completely muddying up the picture?


On one hand, a company testing hundreds of people they are relatively sure do not have it every day or week to be safe staying open could add tons of misleading negatives.

On the other hand, if they only report the positives that's misleading in the other direction, like the article you posted suggests.


The only half solution would be a nationwide protocol with enough organization to separate the entities mass testing the same employees constantly from other tests. But, we certainly don't have anything resembling that kind of organization on the national level.