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Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:19 am to GOP_Tiger
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Wow. New study in the Lancet says that hydroxycloroquine increased mortality by 34% when given to patients. Holy cow.
Is this going to be similar to the previous studies where the sickest patients got hydroxcyloroquine, so of course more of them died?
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:23 am to GOP_Tiger
Retrospective study. Not ideal but the media will eat this up. The story will make a huge shift to focus on this drug and how Trump is taking it and promoting it.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:30 am to WaWaWeeWa
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The story will make a huge shift to focus on this drug and how Trump is taking it and promoting it.
I do think it's funny how they always mention the heart stuff when discussing the drug like it's some new thing.
They've used it for ~70 years...they know of those risks already.
They never seem to mention the large percentage of patients (66%) having adverse events in some of the remdesivir studies (granted, this was a Chinese study).
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 8:35 am
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:58 am to Sasquatch Smash
So can anyone give a rundown of what the current treatment regimen looks like? What drugs ARE working?
My in-laws are dead set on going back to church as soon as they open the doors on June 7th (after first telling me that they would likely not go for a while). It's a small church with almost nothing but older people and my FIL has hypertension and heart disease. I'm considering urging them to go to Walgreens and get an MMR vaccine since I don't think either ever had one. I figure if they're going to be stubborn as hell this might at least offer SOME protection. Am I wrong?
My in-laws are dead set on going back to church as soon as they open the doors on June 7th (after first telling me that they would likely not go for a while). It's a small church with almost nothing but older people and my FIL has hypertension and heart disease. I'm considering urging them to go to Walgreens and get an MMR vaccine since I don't think either ever had one. I figure if they're going to be stubborn as hell this might at least offer SOME protection. Am I wrong?
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:58 am to Sasquatch Smash
We had probably 65 or more nursing home residents on it -- I think that 12 died and some were already on their way out. Not making light of the death but just reporting what I've seen. I can say too that all were had a D-Dimer along with other labs checked when the covid swab was done. I've read one thing that stated perhaps it was more coagulation issues?
We had been cleared as a nursing home (I do NOT think that everyone was swabbed to get 2 negatives but more symptom based) but we've now had a couple reswabbed and one sent to the hospital.
We had been cleared as a nursing home (I do NOT think that everyone was swabbed to get 2 negatives but more symptom based) but we've now had a couple reswabbed and one sent to the hospital.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:02 am to S1C EM
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So can anyone give a rundown of what the current treatment regimen looks like? What drugs ARE working?
I'm just going to take the Canadian study that says strong strains of cannabis can help prevent/treat coronavirus and run with it.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:25 am to HogX
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I'm just going to take the Canadian study that says strong strains of cannabis can help prevent/treat coronavirus and run with it.
I don't know if I can get my FIL to smoke a joint, but he might be down.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:22 am to S1C EM
My workplace is going to do temp checks and question you when you go into the office. fml
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:27 am to GOP_Tiger
I've heard enough about HCQ. At this point, it's pretty obvious it was misinformation disseminated from Chinese government scientists.
I was posting papers from those Chinese scientists in late Feb and early Mar, because it was all we had at the time. Trump's ego is just too big to let go.
I was posting papers from those Chinese scientists in late Feb and early Mar, because it was all we had at the time. Trump's ego is just too big to let go.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:36 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:A statistician I have been following on twitter recently has been pretty spot on in relation to this virus. > LINK
the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is estimating that about a third of coronavirus infections are asymptomatic.
The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die, and the agency estimates that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick.
He is currently looking at discrepancies between the coronavirus death counts and the CDC All Cause Death count. Up until two weeks ago the excess all-cause deaths and the coronavirus counts lined up. Recently, the all-cause death counts have fallen off a cliff, but the coronavirus death counts have stayed high. New data from the CDC comes out today, and it will be interesting to see what it shows.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:52 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Recently, the all-cause death counts have fallen off a cliff, but the coronavirus death counts have stayed high.
Are you saying that essentially impending deaths were moved up a few months in the timeline and that is what we were seeing as excess mortality and in the next few months the excess mortality will actually be lower than normal?
This is what I am guessing will happen
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:57 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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A statistician I have been following on twitter recently has been pretty spot on in relation to this virus.
Wow, he nailed their prediction over a week ago. Is the CDC following him
Posted on 5/22/20 at 11:58 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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My workplace is going to do temp checks
This is such a useless practice.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:01 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
quote:I have not been following this guy. But just from what I've read in the last 30 minutes or so, it looks like he is using his own methods to adjust the CDC death counts, but he doesn't reveal those methods? I just see in the comments where he says that he adjusts the most recent 8 week totals, and is basically "just trust me I know what I'm doing".
A statistician I have been following on twitter recently has been pretty spot on in relation to this virus. > LINK
He is currently looking at discrepancies between the coronavirus death counts and the CDC All Cause Death count. Up until two weeks ago the excess all-cause deaths and the coronavirus counts lined up. Recently, the all-cause death counts have fallen off a cliff, but the coronavirus death counts have stayed high. New data from the CDC comes out today, and it will be interesting to see what it shows.
I don't see the discrepancy that he's trying to point out. Maybe he will be proven correct as the data continues to roll in over the coming months, but at this point he is making up his own data to chart.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:07 pm to Korkstand
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I don't see the discrepancy that he's trying to point out. Maybe he will be proven correct as the data continues to roll in over the coming months, but at this point he is making up his own data to chart.
Well he must be doing something right because he nailed the IFR to within 0.01% of what the CDC believes.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:14 pm to Korkstand
AP count: Over 4,300 virus patients sent to NY nursing homes
Borderline crime against humanity.
Makes me angry. How many deaths could have been avoided?
Borderline crime against humanity.
Makes me angry. How many deaths could have been avoided?
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:31 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
So when people say... “how could the IFR be 0.26% when 0.15% of New York has died?”
It’s exactly a result of the article posted above. NYC seeded every nursing home with 4,300 infections. The virus already ripped through the most vulnerable populations.
It’s exactly a result of the article posted above. NYC seeded every nursing home with 4,300 infections. The virus already ripped through the most vulnerable populations.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:32 pm to Korkstand
quote:Essentially:
I don't see the discrepancy that he's trying to point out. Maybe he will be proven correct as the data continues to roll in over the coming months, but at this point he is making up his own data to chart.
May 2 - 9:
States reporting: ~12,000 coronavirus deaths.
CDC all-cause report excess deaths of ~3,000-5,000
You can't just take those numbers as is because that is misleading, you have to adjust numbers based on past history of backfilling data because death reports are not instantaneous. Also, have to take into account fewer traffic deaths due to less travel.
He did specify that the CDC could backfill the all-cause numbers today, but that it would be an exceptionally large backfill based on the past numbers.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:35 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Where does that 32m+ case count come from?
Well he must be doing something right because he nailed the IFR to within 0.01% of what the CDC believes.
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