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Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:31 am to RollTide1987
The North act all high and mighty about slavery but its never mention how they paid desperate Irish immigrants little to nothing to do their dirty work. They lived worse than the slaves.
And I don’t see any ginger statues going up in their honor like the Afro pic…..
And I don’t see any ginger statues going up in their honor like the Afro pic…..
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:32 am to Napoleon
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Not latin America. Just Chiuahua and Sonora so that they would have a pacific port.
You serious, it was their wet dream to conquer Latin America well before the civil war? The confederates in Brazil, the whole William Walker Filibuster, Ostend Manifesto?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:33 am to wadewilson
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That's fair. I'm curious how the German people feel about Rommel today
Slavery was fairly common up to around the time of the Civil War. The indigenous people took slaves, the Spanish, the Mexicans, etc. The South (chiefly the Planters) had simply industrialized it.
I’m not condoning what the Aristocracy of the south did, but trying to compare the The civil war and the Confederate Government to a genocidal Nazi Germany and its violent conquests of other, sovereign Nations is just dumb.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:35 am to LegendInMyMind
I've read most. I really liked the "alien invasion in the middle of WW2" story.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:36 am to Townedrunkard
Because it wasn't just the north.
Who dug the Irish Channel?
Who dug the Irish Channel?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:38 am to geauxtigers87
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Too bad he broke his oath to be loyal to the United States
You are wrong, of course. At the time Lee undertook to defend Va there was no “United States” . The Southern states had withdrawn from what they assumed was a voluntary union. Picture England leaving the EU. Only in this case, the EU invades England to force them to stay.
Most Souther citizens considered their states to be sovereign and the USA to be something they freely joined and could freely leave. The revolutionary war was still fresh in their minds and the same spirit moved them now.
You might want to take note that Lee was never tried for treason. Practically, you can put this down to the great respect and admiration the North felt for him. Legally, there was concern that any fair appraisal of secession by the courts would find it anything but treasonous. So the charges went away and his contemporaries, the ones who fought him as well as with him, revered the man.
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:38 am to Palmetto98
That was a dream.
The northern Mexican states had plans drawn.
The confederacy even played around with camels to look into using for desert crossing but they scared the horses.
The northern Mexican states had plans drawn.
The confederacy even played around with camels to look into using for desert crossing but they scared the horses.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:47 am to Napoleon
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That was a dream. The northern Mexican states had plans drawn. The confederacy even played around with camels to look into using for desert crossing but they scared the horses.
But this wasn’t merely a dream though. Actual confederates went to Brazil, the Nicaraguan government was usurped, and the Ostend Manifesto was actually published and received National attention. I’m also not going to bring up that the south literally fought a war to preserve and extend slavery so why would they suddenly be all herp derp to end it soon after the war anyway. That makes zero sense lol.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:48 am to RollTide1987
Which war the one fought over slavery or states rights?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 12:12 pm to BugAC
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but the inability of the North to take control of the war far earlier than Gettysburg shows the inability of many of their generals.
By July 1863, the Confederacy was being re-captured by the Union from the Mississippi River. Sure, northern Virginia was holding. During all the time, the western armies were absolutely wrecking the CSA from the other direction. It wasn't even close.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 12:15 pm to GetCocky11
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By July 1863, the Confederacy was being re-captured by the Union from the Mississippi River. Sure, northern Virginia was holding. During all the time, the western armies were absolutely wrecking the CSA from the other direction. It wasn't even close.
The CSA couldn’t even threaten DC despite being next door lol. The Potomac is a large river though.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 12:16 pm to Palmetto98
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The CSA couldn’t even threaten DC despite being next door lol. The Potomac is a large river though.
Lost Causers just come in and say "yeah but if he did this, and that guy did this, and if it didn't rain that day....you never know!"
Posted on 6/26/22 at 12:54 pm to geauxtigers87
quote:I believe the world was a far different place then.quote:
gentleman who was loyal to his home state of Virginia
too bad he broke his oath to be loyal to the united states
My understanding is that the states chose to form a union for mutual self-defense, and crafted a very noble constitution along the way... but believed they reserved the right to withdraw if, at any time, they felt it was in their best interests. I think they saw themselves as autonomous, in the end.
We see some evidence by the way things still are; states maintain their own flag, they each have their own form of government, including with taxing systems in place. All sorts of interstate laws are in place.
So while it certainly appears that you are "American" now, and can go anywhere and it's "the same", at one point being in Virginia instead of Pennsylvania was like being in Belgium instead of Holland.
So the idea of conflicting loyalties, and choosing to honor the State instead of the Federal... that's quite different.
Let's suppose the European Union had more power, and decided to try to occupy Great Britain in response to Brexit. I think that's the view from the Confederacy's side.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 1:00 pm to BestBanker
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Too bad the US government encroached on states rights (sound familiar?).
What right did the Southern states want exactly?
Posted on 6/26/22 at 1:29 pm to RollTide1987
Strictly speaking in military terms, he held up the Union army for 4 or 5 years in spite of the Confederacy having 10% the industrial capacity. His tactics were overly aggressive though, not having a soft stomach for casualties.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 1:34 pm to DownSouthCrawfish
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Mfw I took a major L
I mean, I know you’re poor and don’t have much of an education, but you can still educate yourself online for free. Lay off 2K and jerking off to athletes and learn just a little US history.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 1:41 pm to RollTide1987
Robert E Lee is a great American. His fathers Revolutionary War legacy, top West Point Grad, hero of the Mexican American War, put down John Brown's terrorist actions at Harper's Ferry. With more of an industrial manufacturing base and funds, and a British Forces intervention, things would have been very different today.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 1:47 pm to BestBanker
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So, what does Wikipedia tell you? Please share with the class.
Oh yeh. It's allll about slavery,
when in fact, has nothing to do with slavery. Step back, and see the picture, not the pixel.
This is the exact reason I posted the pic. It doesn't matter what viewpoint I have. This one topic has been discussed ad nauseum on here for years almost weekly. That one quoted statement is what causes the hailstorm. Even if I had a different viewpoint from you, what could I tell you to change your mind? You are so right in your stance and fervent in your position you just assumed it's because I'm not open to the fact of any other reason than slavery. We all know it's because of the bombardment of Ft Sumter.(tic) This thread was a simple pic of a colorized version of Lee and it got derailed and we know where it's going as soon as something like "not about slavery" is stated.
I'm surprised it's only been 7-8 pages. Must be a slow day.
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If saving the Union was about slavery, President Lincoln could've issued the Proclamation of Emancipation
so
much
earlier.
There's a lot of things people, politicians, etc. could've done to avert war
so
much
earlier.
like not bombard a US fort.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 1:47 pm to BestBanker
Awesome, a double post.
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