re: Colorado deputy shot and killed unarmed man at point-blank range after struggle

Was it necessary for the cop to drag him out of the car, because from the video it really doesn't seem so.

During the entire interaction, the guy was corresponding with the cop, and he seemed to be overall respectful. He wasn't really being difficult or anything at all.

The cop saw him put something in his mouth, so he drug him out. Is that standard procedure? The guy wasn't even about to be under arrest from the looks of it. What if he was just putting a peppermint in his mouth, is that enough reason to drag him out of his car?

Not to mention, the aspect of being randomly drug out of your car in the middle of literally cooperating with the police, idk, it almost justifies defending yourself to a degree. That guy did not deserve to die here. Horrible policework imo.

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If he was smart, and he's not- he was offended by his previous remarks and was looking for an excuse to initiate something physical, he would ignored him putting something in his mouth (it was on his body cam) and not reacted so that he could have him tested after a compliant arrest (and search) that would have brought additional charges.

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The thing is, and I could be wrong. If the cop would have simply did the regular, "I am placing you under arrest, please step out of the car and show me your hands". I think the guy would have been more likely to comply as he was complying all along. But for the cop to just randomly wrestle him out of the car while he was unexpected seems like it just brings a natural human reaction in fighting back.

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then head butting officer

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Come again? You say this so matter of factly. Where in the video do you so clearly see this?

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A reminder, 1/3rd of Americans killed by a stranger were killed by police.

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Using an article by granta in 2016 based on a study on “Estimating Undocumented Homicides with Two Lists and List Dependence”. Based on lists Study is trying to justify that not only are the 2,100 additional deaths in a Justice report on 2003-2009 & 2011 correct and not duplicates but total is too low based on comparisons with data from Kosovo, Columbia, Syria, Guatemala, & Sierra Leone.

The granta article then bumps annual estimate of deaths by police by nearly 600 to 1,500 a year during 2003-2009 and 2011 over Justice’s report of 7,427 (still including the additional 2,103 not actually found in lists study used) which would be 929 a year.

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As I said at the beginning of this article, the estimate of 1,500 police homicides per year would mean that eight to ten per cent of all American homicide victims are killed by the police. Of all American homicide victims killed by people they don’t know, approximately one-third of them are victims of the police.

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https://hrdag.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2015-hrdag-estimating-undoc-homicides.pdf

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While solving only 2% of all major crimes.

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Besides the 2% referring to convictions in article the article you shared for this includes

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By comparing surveys of the public with police reports, it’s clear that less than half of serious violent felonies – crimes like aggravated assault and burglary – ever get reported to the police

…The official percentage of serious crimes where a person is actually convicted is even lower, though data is hard to confirm. The Bureau of Justice Statistics has not reported national conviction rates for serious crimes since 2006 – but in that year, out of all serious crimes reported to the police, only 4.1% of cases ended with an individual convicted in the wake of a reported crime.

Again, taking into account the fact that twice as many crimes happen, the national conviction rate in 2006 was actually closer to 2%.

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Burglary is usually considered a property crime not violent. It’s also making its own estimates to make additional estimates.

The Study article used actually states:

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In 2015, 46% of the violent crimes and 19% of the property crimes reported to police in the U.S. were cleared, according to FBI data.

Reporting and clearance rates for violent and property crimes have held relatively steady over the past two decades, even as overall crime rates in both categories have declined sharply. Between 1995 and 2015, the share of violent crimes reported to police each year ranged from 40% to 51%; for property crimes, the share ranged from 32% to 40%. During the same period, the share of violent crimes cleared by police ranged from 44% to 50%; for property crimes, annual clearance rates ranged from 16% to 20%.

There are several caveats to keep in mind when considering statistics like these. Like all surveys, the BJS survey has a margin of error, which means that the share of violent and property crimes reported to police might be higher or lower than estimated. The FBI clearance rate data, for their part, rely on information voluntarily reported by local law enforcement agencies around the country, and not all departments participate.

The FBI’s clearance rates also don’t account for the fact that crimes reported in one year might be cleared in a future year. In addition, they count some cases that weren’t closed through arrest, but through “exceptional means,” such as when a suspect dies or a victim declines to cooperate with a prosecution.

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Look up Vickie Wax to see what can happen if the cop simply tries to fight him off.

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This is the truth. She was wrestled with an unarmed man and ended up getting killed with her own gun.

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They all escalate quickly. Do you think there’s some warm up period where the bad guy slowly feels the cop out, probing for a weakness? Or that every encounter is like some stylized mating ritual like in nature where each side only moves onto the next step once the previous portion has been completed? Of course these things happen fast. It amazes me the stupidity and naïveté people display when discussing violent and lethal encounters.

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Pretty clearly the cop went from zero to 100 in about a half second with no provocation.

Or is tossing back a Tic Tac so disrespectful to the officer it clears him to go apeshit on a guy sitting in a car?

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The guy did look sketchy and the putting of something in his mouth was also indeed sketchy.

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Yeah man when I go put out hoop nets in the river I stop by the store on the way home. I'm dirty, have mud on me, might smell a little if I had to get a dead turtle out of the trap. In other words, I look a little sketchy. Is that a death sentence if we toss in me telling a cop "I don't really trust you"?

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bootlicker

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The OT equivalent to RACIST!!!! The second you question their position or disagree, they throw the word at you to stop any opposition. Anyone who uses the term immediately loses all authority in my opinion. If you can't argue or support your point without that word, you are most likely wrong.

One less.

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The fact that the cop felt the need to physically take down an unarmed guy sitting in his mom's car after talking to him for less than 2 minutes is the real problem here. There was absolutely no visible reason why it had to go that direction that fast

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32 year sitting in mom’s car after:

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on reports of a suspicious male party trying to open car doors. They were informed the male party may be "on something", suggesting possible intoxication. The initial reporting party, Eric Valencia, told dispatch that a male had become "aggressive" with one car and he was trying to get into other cars in the parking lot. Mr. Valencia gave the following description for the male: Caucasian, wearing an orange/red shirt with a light jacket, light-colored hair, approximately 6°0" in height, really skinny with a hat on. Initially, Mr. Valencia stated that the male was out of his line of sight on the east side of the parking lot. The male then came back into Mr. Valencia's sight and Mr. Valencia said the male was wearing a jacket with gray sleeves and black in color. Mr. Valencia then tells dispatch that the male was being confronted by someone from the school, then he began walking west. Mr. Valencia then sees the male get into the back seat of a white four-door SUV, possibly a Mazda with tinted windows and approximately eight to nine cars in from the road.

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Stating he had a knife and while often having hand in pocket without producing knife he said he had including reaching inside his jacket with right hand when pulled out.

I don’t think a knife was found.

Was asked twice before saying he thought he had a knife. He then reaches inside jacket around time being asked putting something in mouth.

He already admitted he messing with cop and continued this by saying he had knife (apparently didn’t) and reaching inside jacket. He wanted the confrontation with cop before he was pulled out of car. Instead of staying on ground he went for cop’s legs to take him to ground.

He got his wish.

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As he approaches the Lexus, the back passenger door opens and Richard Ward is sitting there. Deputy McWhorter asks him "what's going on?" and Richard makes the statement that someone called the cops on him for waiting for his little brother. When asked who little brother is, Richard gives two names, Eddie and Chase. Kristy Ward, who is in the front passenger seat, makes the comment that Richard has two brothers. Richard tells Deputy McWhorter that he is just messing with him. Richard has his right hand in his right jacket pocket and Deputy McWhorter grabs ahold of his right arm. Richard asks why Deputy McWhorter is touching his arm. Deputy McWhorter asks Richard why he is acting like this. Richard tells him he is nervous, he doesn't like cops, and he has anxiety. When asked why, Richard states that police have done things to him. When asked what they have done to him, he states they tell him stop resisting, then makes a punching motion, and says "when you're not resisting."

During this contact, Richard is speaking quickly. He appears to have an unfocused train of thought as he bounces back and forth in the conversation. Richard asks who he is disrupting, and he is told he was trying to mess with car doors. When asked for his side of the story, he said he thought it was his car he was getting into. He said he didn't know the lady in the car, and he told her he was sorry. Deputy McWhorter asks Richard if he is under the influence of anything and Richard says no. He is asked if he has an ID on him or any weapons. Richard then starts patting himself, then puts his hands into his pants pockets. Richard is asked a second time if he has weapons, and he states he thinks he has a pocketknife. He then pulled two lighters out of his right pants pocket. At this point the camera is pointed more towards the open door of the car and you can only see Richard's legs. You can hear Deputy McWhorter ask Richard what he just put into this mouth. Deputy Me Whorter then steps back as he pulls on Richard's right arm. Deputy McWhorter has Richard by the back of his jacket as he pulls him from the car. Richard's right hand appears to be inside his coat on the left side. Richard states, "it's a pill, it's a pill, let me go" as he is being pulled out of the car.

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Richard is taken out of the car. He is told to get down and place his hands behind his back. At the 0:50 mark into the video, Richard gets up from his buttocks, wraps Deputy McWhorter's legs up and takes him to the ground. Deputy McWhorter lands on his buttocks. Deputy McWhorter is on his back with Richard on top of him saying "Ya boy, come on boy". Richard is actively engaged in resisting and fighting. At the 0:59 mark, Richard is seen with his right arm around Deputy McWhorter's waist with his left side towards the ground. Deputy McWhorter appears to have his left arm around Richard's right arm, and his gun side is down towards the ground. Both men go to the ground with Deputy MeWhorter laying on his right side, gun side. At the 1:00 minute mark, someone says "gun". At 1:02 minutes, the first shot can be heard with 2 subsequent shots. Richard can be seen on his left side. Deputy Me Whorter was able to get off his right side and fire his duty weapon. Deputy McWhorter's left arm is entangled with Richard's right arm and groin area.

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autopsy report was received on March 31, 2022, with the toxicology report showing the following drugs in Richard's system: Lorazepam, Methadone, Gabapentin, THC, Hydroxyzine, and Methamphetamine.

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