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re: Colorado deputy shot and killed unarmed man at point-blank range after struggle
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:46 pm to BottomlandBrew
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:46 pm to BottomlandBrew
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Even more so if you're tweaking.
And a tweaker wouldn't grab a cops gun and shoot him to not go to jail.
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:47 pm to UpToPar
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I agree that they should have provided aid, but he was shot center mass. He wasn't surviving that.
I agree he probably wasn't gonna make it but to not even try looks bad for sure.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:48 pm to John88
Him putting something in his mouth is not a crime (at that moment in time), threatening, or in no way a cause for escalation. Including, and especially, if he thought it was an attempt to hide drugs.
Testing him afterwards brings additional charges on top of possession.
Cop is dumb. And Ward died for his stupidity.
One would figure we would have already approached the point where cops get treated like the rest of us. Even if justifiable, if you kill someone you don't sleep in your bed at night. If a cop kills someone the other cops stand around shoving their thumbs up their own asses. McWhorter should at least be disarmed and detained until it can be figured out. Just like we would be.
They are citizens and subject to the same laws as us. They are neither exempt or above a citizen. Until cops police cops none of these problems will be solved unless one group, since LE doesn't consider themselves average citizens, eliminates the other.
Testing him afterwards brings additional charges on top of possession.
Cop is dumb. And Ward died for his stupidity.
One would figure we would have already approached the point where cops get treated like the rest of us. Even if justifiable, if you kill someone you don't sleep in your bed at night. If a cop kills someone the other cops stand around shoving their thumbs up their own asses. McWhorter should at least be disarmed and detained until it can be figured out. Just like we would be.
They are citizens and subject to the same laws as us. They are neither exempt or above a citizen. Until cops police cops none of these problems will be solved unless one group, since LE doesn't consider themselves average citizens, eliminates the other.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:50 pm to I20goon
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Him putting something in his mouth is not a crime
Any attorneys here want to chime in on if that does qualify as probable cause for a search or not. I'm genuinely asking because idk.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:52 pm to TheDeathValley
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Bro I shouldn’t have to do things to “lower my chances of getting shot” FFS. Yeah, I get it is not wise to “resist” cops, but I should not have to go above and beyond to prove I did nothing wrong.
A reminder, 1/3rd of Americans killed by a stranger were killed by police. While solving only 2% of all major crimes.
It's beyond just a racial issue, policing in this country is fundamentally broken.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:57 pm to JiminyCricket
quote:not an attorney, but I'm sure it is probable cause for search. Especially in a school zone.
Any attorneys here want to chime in on if that does qualify as probable cause for a search or not. I'm genuinely asking because idk.
But that was not a search. He initiated an arrest by pulling him out of the car. And a terrible way to initiate an arrest at that.
If he was smart, and he's not- he was offended by his previous remarks and was looking for an excuse to initiate something physical, he would ignored him putting something in his mouth (it was on his body cam) and not reacted so that he could have him tested after a compliant arrest (and search) that would have brought additional charges.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:01 pm to Festus
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the guy puts his right hand in his pocket and starts digging when the cop has just asked him if he has any weapons.
The cop asked for his fricking ID.
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I'm always a bit amazed how people that never put themselves in harms way can Monday morning QB something like this.
You act like these guys are in Vietnam. "Harms way!"
This cop, like so many others, escalated the situation. Happens so often one has to think they are trained for that...
*I'm old enough to remember when cops didn't escalate situations. So yes, they are trained to do it.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:04 pm to John88
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A Pueblo County sheriff’s deputy shot and killed an unarmed man outside of a middle school last year
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Feb. 22, 2022
A year ago and it just now comes to light?
That says a lot right there.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:05 pm to I20goon
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not an attorney, but I'm sure it is probable cause for search.
Which leads to the next question, what is legally allowed as far as detaining people when you have probable cause? Is there a level of physicality that is allowed and what is that line of excessive force? I'm not a lawyer so I'm not sure what that answer is. I'm not trying to be obtuse here but rather to make the point that if the cop indeed did follow his allowed legal options then the argument should be how do we best go about modifying the laws to mitigate these circumstances.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:10 pm to BuckyCheese
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The cop asked for his fricking ID.
I responded to the guy stating that both hands were in plain view. I was pointing out that they weren't.
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You act like these guys are in Vietnam.
Is Vietnam somehow unusually unsafe now?
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"Harms way!"
Are you implying that police officers aren't in harms way? Seriously? Tough to really take you serious now.
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This cop, like so many others, escalated the situation. Happens so often one has to think they are trained for that...
You honestly think they train cops to escalate things for no reasons. Got it, now I'm aware of what I'm dealing with.
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*I'm old enough to remember when cops didn't escalate situations. So yes, they are trained to do it.
I'm old enough to remember when people followed instructions given by cops and didn't escalate things themselves. Those days are long gone.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:21 pm to dupergreenie
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White people are less likely to prop up a low life white person.
If you watched the video the guy was acting sketchy...couldn't remember his brothers name....looked like he put something in his mouth....resisted after cops said to stop resisting....does that mean he deserved to be shot and killed?.....no...however he did nothing to help his chances to not get shot.
Taken down to ground is something to request videos after fact and file a complaint about not head butt the officer and grab for weapon while grappling on ground resisting.
Police were responding to a call of the guy trying to open doors of various cars, aggressive, and looking drugged out.
After answering he may have a pocket knife and lighters he popped something in his mouth that even a year later the family attorney can’t 100% say was actual medicine and just says it was likely anxiety medicine.
I think the cop could have handled situation better especially with person mentioning anxiety around cops and having another cop with him, but the guy was an idiot for popping a pill while answering questions without communicating what he was doing and then head butting officer and trying to get to weapons belt and so on.
Officer misjudged his ability to control the guy in close proximity and didn’t communicate very well after pill or whatever popped in mouth, but being restrained and checked might have been warranted at that point. It was just done poorly.
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McWhorter approached Ward in Stamp’s car after a call about a suspicious man trying to open car doors, according to the district attorney’s letter. One person reported the man may be “on something” and acted “aggressive” with one car, according to the letter.
People on scene directed McWhorter to Stamp’s car, where Ward, Stamp and Stamp’s boyfriend sat inside, body camera footage shows.
… As Ward searched for his ID, he said he might have a pocket knife and showed McWhorter two lighters.
Ward then put something in his mouth, causing McWhorter to grab him by the jacket and push him to the ground, the video shows.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:23 pm to John88
Another reminder that it’s the >95% of bad law enforcement giving the <5% of good LW enforcement a bad name! Don’t lump our good cops in with these bad ones!!!
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:25 pm to dallastigers
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then head butting officer and trying to get to weapons belt and so on.
You see this in the video or just taking the cops word for it?
*Not that cops ever lie or anything, but keeping his arse out of prison would be a pretty good incentive to do so.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:29 pm to BuckyCheese
That situation looked way less dangerous for the officers than Alton S.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:50 pm to broadhead
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What law did he break? Is sketchy a misdemeanor or felony?
Apparently its punishable by death.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:51 pm to JiminyCricket
I don't know about you, but it makes me feel better knowing cops are really aggressive when it comes to people accidently getting into the wrong vehicle.
Bottom line, if you don't want to be killed by police don't accidently get into the wrong vehicle right?
And if anyone ever accidently gets into your vehicle, you freak out, they realize they are in the wrong vehicle, tells you they are sorry and then leaves thats more than enough reason to call the cops right?
It really does suck for the good cops that they are perceived based on what the shite cops do.
Bottom line, if you don't want to be killed by police don't accidently get into the wrong vehicle right?
And if anyone ever accidently gets into your vehicle, you freak out, they realize they are in the wrong vehicle, tells you they are sorry and then leaves thats more than enough reason to call the cops right?
It really does suck for the good cops that they are perceived based on what the shite cops do.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:58 pm to OKBoomerSooner
My favorite part of this thread is how some posters unironically believe that it’s incumbent upon regular people to police their instincts and reactions and make every correct decision in a split second heated confrontation with armed strangers who will kill you at the drop of a hat. Why even train cops? We should be training citizens, apparently.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 2:59 pm to Bronc
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1/3rd of Americans killed by a stranger were killed by police
Your link isn't working, but that statistic seems highly suspect.
According to the CDC, there were 26K homicides in 2021. Let's assume that 2/3rds of all homicides are committed by someone the victim knows. That means there were 8,666 homicides committed by a stranger. There were approximately 1K people shot and killed by police in 2021. That's nowhere close to 1/3.
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While solving only 2% of all major crimes.
That's not what your link says. Your link says that they only obtain a conviction in 2% of all major crimes, but even that stat is misleading. First, this would not account for instances where the criminal plead to a lesser offense, or where the DA simply did not have enough evidence to secure a conviction. Second, the study works off the assumption that at least half of all violent crimes are not even reported to police.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:11 pm to OKBoomerSooner
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My favorite part of this thread is how some posters unironically believe that it’s incumbent upon regular people to police their instincts and reactions and make every correct decision in a split second heated confrontation with armed strangers who will kill you at the drop of a hat. Why even train cops? We should be training citizens, apparently.
Amazing isn't it?
They love an authoritarian society apparently.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:14 pm to UpToPar
20958 gun homicides
1000 by police (generally close to that amount each year)
1000 by police (generally close to that amount each year)
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