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re: Close up of Andromeda galaxy shows how many stars there really are

Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:01 am to
Posted by Higgysmalls
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:01 am to
the remake of "the cosmos" series on Netflix really blew my mind with some of this stuff
Posted by LanierSpots
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:10 am to
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Sometimes I wish when you died, you just got to float around endlessly looking at space (with speed of light travel and wormhole maps of course).


I will do that when they add cell coverage.


Posted by tigerpawl
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Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:18 am to
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I mean, really. Damn. We are but a speck on the arse of a speck.

Well, well. Is humility back in style?
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 6:18 am to
So how many are there?? I could not count them.
Posted by tharre4
Member since Jan 2015
617 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 7:31 am to
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"We are the middle children of history. Born too late to explore earth, born too early to explore space." -anonymous


Posted by The Dozer
H-Town
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 7:37 am to
Seeing shite like that makes driving in to work every morning seem incredibly ridiculous.
Posted by Tigerhead
Member since Aug 2004
1176 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 8:50 am to
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LoL at the people who think we are the only intelligent life forms in that mass


Define "intelligent". I just hope we are not as intelligent as it gets.....lol.
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 8:57 am to
And yet there are some people who actually believe there is no other intelligent life anywhere out there.

Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
14909 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 9:55 am to
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wonder how many Predator space ships are flying around in that mass headed to their next drop off planet ?


Kinda like a hunting club.
Posted by holdem Tiger
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:41 am to
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This is why I just fricking roll my eyes at people who say we're really alone in the universe.

The math and statistical odds do not support that narrative.


I roll my eyes at people who say this. Math and statistics have nothing to say about these probabilities. It's a total fallacy, and yet I even hear people at NASA saying it.

Arrogance and/or ignorance.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:48 am to
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:52 am to
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Math and statistics have nothing to say about these probabilities.


Please explain...
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44907 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:56 am to
There is actually strong arguments that what we call intelligent life is statically impossible to achieve. Everyone agrees bacteria exists in abundance. But making the jump to multi cell organisms is difficult. TL;DR version: we could be the alpha lifeforms of the universe.
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
40113 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 10:56 am to
When are we getting lightsabers?
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:05 am to
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There is actually strong arguments that what we call intelligent life is statically impossible to achieve. Everyone agrees bacteria exists in abundance. But making the jump to multi cell organisms is difficult. TL;DR version: we could be the alpha lifeforms of the universe.


Yep. On the one hand, it is pretty much agreed that life exists relatively abundantly in the universe. There maybe life on one of Saturn's moons, may have been life on Mars and or venus in the past etc, just in our solar system.

However, life as intelligent or more intelligent than humans may not exist and may have never existed. Dunno.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 11:06 am
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:08 am to
It is just impossible to say what the "numerator" in any such probability / statistical model may be if the denominator is habitable / earth like planets or however you end up trying to define it.

The more and more we discover about the Universe the rarer our solar system / sun / earth combination appears to be. In addition, all of the correct building blocks for life to develop need to reach a planet which is conducive to such evolution at the right time of that planets lifespan, at the right time in its solar system / sun's life span. Also that life-form would need to survive whatever global extinction level events and still be present at this current time.

I am not saying I think we are alone, but the common statement about the sheer number of stars meaning there has to be other intelligent life out there to be disingenuous in regards to just how incredible it is that the way that our solar system / earth / humans developed to reach our current state.

- There are a whole lot of connotations in this kind of discussions such as what kind of life we are talking about, potential that the observable universe is just a speck in a much much larger field of "multiverses, which we just can't see due to the constraints of time and the speed of light, etc., which make it difficult to get to deep into it on a message board though.

This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 11:10 am
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:13 am to
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the rarer our solar system / sun / earth combination appears to be


And our moon including its size and distance from us. We would probably not exist without it.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31273 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:30 am to
O get what you’re saying and agree to a point. Right now our sample size for life existing in the universe is a whopping one. No real conclusions can be drawn from that. If we were to find any form of life that originated anywhere other than our planet, well that all of the sudden opens up all sorts of possibilities. Until we find that though there’s no way to know whether we are unique or not
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
40113 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:33 am to
I wonder how many other planets have "climate change" too
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6805 posts
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:54 am to
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the remake of "the cosmos" series on Netflix really blew my mind with some of this stuff


The old "Cosmos" was much better than the newer one. I could not stand the animations and narration of the newer one. Carl Sagan was the GOAT, RIP. Highly recommend watching the older one to anyone who enjoyed the new one, even though it is ~40 years old, it still is my favorite science series of all time.

A new mini series I watched recently was "Order and Disorder" with Professor Jim Al-Khalili that goes in depth about energy, the second law of thermodynamics and information. It is very very good and I would def recommend it to anyone interested. LINK
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 11:59 am
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