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re: Chicago considering city-owned grocery stores after Walmart & Whole Foods closed

Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:55 am to
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138931 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:55 am to
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These government owned stores will close faster than the Walmart and Whole Foods stores.

Probably not, but the conditions would deteriorate pretty quickly. Just imagine how disgusting that place would be within a month.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23382 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:57 am to
Setting aside the whole socialist dystopian paradise they are building up there, I do wonder if there is a better commercial model for the areas that are backsliding into lawlessness.

Why not move to having iPads with items available or for preorder from home and then just have customers pay and the items are then unlocked in lockers or slid out on conveyer belts already bagged like they used to do at service merchandise?

Theft would drop to zero, it reduces the commercial real estate required to run a grocery store and likely slashes overall operating costs.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130305 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:57 am to
You're going to see TikToks and all that stuff criticizing the quality of produce and products after about 2 weeks.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138931 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:02 am to
Yeah, and it'll be blamed on racism despite the fact that it'll be run by all non-white people from the stockers to city hall. There's literally nothing these people will accept as their own responsibility. There's a reason they're in the situation they're in and it's not anyone's fault but their own.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
36165 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:04 am to
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Just imagine how disgusting that place would be within a month.


If it is a city-owned store then you'll have DMV-level quality people manning the registers and checking out will take 2+ hours. I really really want this to happen, it will make an excellent case-study for business schools.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182516 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:11 am to
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These stores will lose millions in dollars due to theft and vandalism. No insurance company will insure them.




The "insurance" is the tax payers. They won't care about losing money
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
21749 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:13 am to
Nice. Texas bout to see an influx of Chicagoans.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41084 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:16 am to
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New Orleans needs to do that so they won’t come to Chalmette


Da Parish residents hate taxes, but I think I could get an additional sales tax passed that gives 100% of the extra sales tax money to walmart to build and run a walmart in the 9th ward...
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
19977 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:17 am to
The knee jerk equitable BS keeps getting brought up.

There are Walmarts closer to anyone in this country than any other store on earth.

So to say someone can’t get groceries is complete and utter garbage.

And the reason Walmart and Whole Foods closed is because no one will take responsibility and just say it’s because of the POS people that shoplifted the store to the point that the losses were so great the stores didn’t make a profit.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42360 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:18 am to
So what is the government going to do when people come and shoplift the frick out of these stores? The thieves certainly won't be treated like they are in the USSR or Cuba.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41084 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:19 am to
quote:

Why not move to having iPads with items available or for preorder from home and then just have customers pay and the items are then unlocked in lockers or slid out on conveyer belts already bagged like they used to do at service merchandise?

Theft would drop to zero, it reduces the commercial real estate required to run a grocery store and likely slashes overall operating costs.




Let's take that a step further.

Most residents of "food deserts" are on food stamps / WIC.

Let's just go back to the days of government cheese and cereal. Every week, you have a pre-set day and time to come pick up your government-issued allotment of food, milk, water, etc. Then, you don't have to worry about finding a store to use your food stamps at. Government can buy in bulk cheaper. Little to no theft risk.

Everyone wins.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41084 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:20 am to
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If it is a city-owned store then you'll have DMV-level quality people manning the registers and checking out will take 2+ hours. I really really want this to happen, it will make an excellent case-study for business schools.


How does this work in places that have state-owned ABC stores? Is the service and selection terrible?

I've never been to one.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
1161 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:22 am to
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It unfortunately is not.

It won't matter, they will open these stores and it does not matter how much they lose, how much is stolen from them, how little money they make.

None of that is the point. Those who don't steal and have to pay for groceries will subsidize these stores and they will be announced as rousing successes for the community, despite quietly bleeding massive amounts of money.

And then the next administration will quietly start XclosingX expanding them.



FIFY
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45567 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:26 am to
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Government owned grocery stores. Welcome to the Soviet Union.


You’ll get your one head of wilted lettuce and a bottle of vodka and be happy.



It worked in the USSR until the stores could not keep vodka in stock. It is also working in modern day Russia. So why wouldn't it work in Chicago?
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 10:27 am
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
5246 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:27 am to
Slippery slope. Test run.
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 10:30 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182516 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:31 am to
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It is also working in modern day Russia. So why wouldn't it work in Chicago?




It works in a country where communism had been standard for decades, people are scared of their Government, and also has a homogeneous population? Who would have thought?
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
12722 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:32 am to
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Those closures occurred after Walmart CEO Doug McMillon warned in December that its stores across the country were grappling with shoplifting to a degree that, "If it's not corrected over time, prices will be higher, and/or stores will close.


To start opening pick up only Walmarts.

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45567 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:32 am to
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It works in a country where communism had been standard for decades


again why would it not work in Chicago?
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
68492 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:34 am to
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Why not move to having iPads with items available or for preorder from home and then just have customers pay and the items are then unlocked in lockers or slid out on conveyer belts already bagged like they used to do at service merchandise?


Then you would just have people stealing other people’s already paid for groceries, probably violently in some cases. Not to mention the uproar about free and equal access to necessities. There is no winning situation
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182516 posts
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:34 am to
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again why would it not work in Chicago?




Entitlement. Something the homogeneous population of Russia doesn't have.
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