re: Charts showing affirmative action edge for Harvard and medical schools

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In a side note I have one current AA physician colleague who absolutely abhors affirmative action - he believes (rightly) that he may be viewed as not as capable or smart compared to others and that he may have got into med school due to his race (he did not by the way).

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He's unfortunately got a stigma and that's a shame for the AA doctors that worked hard and are just as capable of a doctor of another race.

c on z supports this

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Problem is MCAT and GPA doesn't measure intelligence.

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It is not perfect (especially not GPA since it varies on the undergrad institution, major, professor, etc.) but it is used because it is the best indicator of how someone might do in med school. The standardized tests and other high level classes only gets harder in med school.

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I have no issue admitting a lower income kid if they meet basic requirements.

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The med schools act like they care about it but they don’t. Because otherwise applying to medical school wouldn’t be as crazy expensive as it is. So many students spend thousands of dollars in the application process in the hopes they might get in somewhere. And the med schools keep adding in more things like the Casper tests which also costs money.

Race shouldn't even be a factor in school admissions. What are your scores, grades, extracurricular, etc. Here's the baseline for acceptance, aaaaaaand go. Either you make the cut or you dont.

I been to the doctor quite a few times. The best doctor's I have had were an Indian, and one of Lebanese ancestry. The worst was a white woman. Had a pretty good black NP. All the white dudes have been above average. Indian doctor saved my life
This is my anecdotal evidence. The most important thing for a doctor is to listen to the patient and to treat the patient. They seem to often time forget that patients are humans and are only treating a disorder/symptom etc and there is no human element. Those are the doctors that are bad doctors

One thing that always gets completely ignored are the poor affirmative action kids who get in WAYYY over their heads and flunk out with huge loads of debt. These kids have no ability to succeed at a place like Harvard. However, they might have done very well at a Penn State or Rutgers or Tulane. The opportunity is squandered so that white liberal administrators can feel good about giving disadvantaged kids a chance when everyone would have been better off sorting by actual academic ability instead of group status.

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The opportunity is squandered so that white liberal administrators can feel good about giving disadvantaged kids a chance when everyone would have been better off sorting by actual academic ability instead of group status.

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They do that to offset all the legacy admits. Basically the system is bring rigged for rich whites and the rich whites are trying to hide behind the "all whites bad" mantra to save themselves at the expense of true deserving whites.


We're all pawns in their little game to maintain their status and position.

And you all laughed at Rachel Dolezal. Evidently, she was on to something.

So now AA students are all walking around Harvard telling themselves what to deal with this?

I don't want my medical providers to be affirmative action recipients.