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re: Cardell Hayes attorney requests NOPD not handle investigation
Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:04 am to Oddibe
Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:04 am to Oddibe
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IMO opinion this is no different than shooting a burglar in the back after fleeing your property, which is not justifiable compared to shooting the burglar while he is in your home.
it is different, because they both had right to be there. If someone is in your home, they have no right to be in your house.
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AS SOON AS Hayes chased after the car it no longer falls into the category of self-defense or stand your ground.
Its not this simple. The situation is filed into 3 different situations. Initial hit and run, 2nd car crash, and finally, homicide of Will Smith. You can't string them all together and pretend like his motive was to kill Will Smith because he hit his car and ran, because that isnt what happened.
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Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:08 am to Oddibe
FYI, this is not how self defense works, and I am an attorney and a former ADA.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:16 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Now is the time for the good open ended: "My client is 100% innocent and we will be providing information as to the true facts later. Right now, I am focused on representing his interests and overseeing his defense. Thank you."
Advice for a criminal defense attorney from a... what do you do?
I spent several years as the PIO for a large federal agency in the US DOJ and, yes because lawyers just can't stand to listen to anyone who hasn't, I too went to law school.
This post was edited on 4/16/16 at 11:19 am
Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:18 am to Oddibe
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IF, Smith rear-ended Hayes in the video and Hayes then pulled over to exchange insurance info at which time Smith fled from the scene. AS SOON AS Hayes chased after the car it no longer falls into the category of self-defense or stand your ground.
Well this just isn't true.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:19 am to jbgleason
IF
IIIIFFFF
It turns out an attempted cover up happened, but the NOPD is caught, Fuller will get elevated to Johnny Cochran status nationally and NOLA will be looked at as more of a crooked shithole than it already is
IIIIFFFF
It turns out an attempted cover up happened, but the NOPD is caught, Fuller will get elevated to Johnny Cochran status nationally and NOLA will be looked at as more of a crooked shithole than it already is
This post was edited on 4/16/16 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:24 am to lsupride87
This would be sad. But somehow just accepted by all
Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:24 am to tLSU
quote:I stated several times that I am NOT an attorney. I'm just offering my opinion, which may or may not be correct.
FYI, this is not how self defense works, and I am an attorney and a former ADA.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:26 am to Oddibe
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I stated several times that I am NOT an attorney. I'm just offering my opinion, which may or may not be correct.
it would have been easier and shorter to simply say I am talking out of my arse.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:34 am to Lester Earl
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his own lawyer said he was out of the car. His body was found slumped in the front seat, his legs were still on the ground, more than likely reaching for a gun
If Hayes shot Smith while reaching for a gun, wouldn't that mean Hayes already had his gun drawn?
And if Hayes shot Smith's wife first and then shot Smith in the back while reaching for a gun, self defense is out the door.
I just can't wrap my head around the self defense claim with how Smith and his wife were shot.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:49 am to EarthwormJim
quote:Nope
And if Hayes shot Smith's wife first and then shot Smith in the back while reaching for a gun, self defense is out the door.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:53 am to lsupride87
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Nope
Ok tell me how that is self defense.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 12:05 pm to EarthwormJim
Because she could have been going for the gun/had the gun
Posted on 4/16/16 at 12:12 pm to lsupride87
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Because she could have been going for the gun/had the gun
If she's going for a gun and Hayes was able to shoot her, that means Hayes had a gun in hand while neither Smith not his wife did.
If she did have a gun, that would mean a massive coverup by everyone involved. As much as Hayes' lawyer has talked there's no way he glosses over the fact that Smith's wife had a gun.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 12:14 pm to EarthwormJim
If Hayes was being held back/scuffled with by Smith and the shirtless shithead, like witnesses say, and at that time Smiths wife went for a gun, Hayes would likely fear for his life. Shooting her could be arguably justified at that point
I'm not saying that happened. But definitive statements of "that takes self defense off the table" are incorrect
We really don't have close to enough info to make definitive statements in either direction
I'm not saying that happened. But definitive statements of "that takes self defense off the table" are incorrect
We really don't have close to enough info to make definitive statements in either direction
Posted on 4/16/16 at 12:15 pm to lsupride87
I don't understand if Hayes has a right for self defense why not the Smith's? If one of the Smith's was going for the gun then Hayes starts shooting isn't reasonable that Hayes had his gun drawn on them already?
Posted on 4/16/16 at 12:15 pm to EarthwormJim
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If she's going for a gun and Hayes was able to shoot her, that means Hayes had a gun in hand while neither Smith not his wife did.
B I N G O.
This also means that
Hayes was the agressor, causing the death of Will Smith.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 12:16 pm to rantfan
quote:They do have a right
I don't understand if Hayes has a right for self defense why not the Smith's? If one of the Smith's was going for the gun then Hayes starts shooting isn't reasonable that Hayes had his gun drawn on them already?
The point is none of know exactly what happened so making definitive statements at this point is biased and wrong
Posted on 4/16/16 at 12:17 pm to 4LSU2
quote:You are wrong again. Not shocking
4LSU2
Posted on 4/16/16 at 12:17 pm to lsupride87
Unless NOPD straight up covered up everything for the Smiths, there is no way she had a gun. Only one gun was recovered from the scene. So unless we are to believe nothing about what has been reported, it's is basically a certainty she didn't have a weapon.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 12:17 pm to lsupride87
Why do some people in here on a certain side have to continue to make definitive statements?
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