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re: Cardell Hayes attorney requests NOPD not handle investigation
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:15 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:15 am to Lester Earl
interesting.
the shooter is likely fricked, at least a bit, by teh wife getting shot. that can be a number of charges if the charges related to smith being shot can't stick. if they have prior felonies i could see them being bitched for that, too
the shooter is likely fricked, at least a bit, by teh wife getting shot. that can be a number of charges if the charges related to smith being shot can't stick. if they have prior felonies i could see them being bitched for that, too
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Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
here is a solid update
This post was edited on 4/16/16 at 9:28 am
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:17 am to Lester Earl
I will never follow someone and then rear-end them for rear-ending me, then get out for a physical confrontation while carrying a firearm all the while NOT being a licensed conceal carrier, then shoot two people, killing one of them by way of pumping seven rounds from a .45 caliber handgun into their back.
If that is what you mean by defending my life in this manner, trust me don't worry about it occurring. I am in fact a conceal carrier and have been through numerous hours of training on how to avoid these very circumstances. Hayes had too many opportunities to move on about his business a week ago. If he does this, he is not in jail for the rest of his life.
If that is what you mean by defending my life in this manner, trust me don't worry about it occurring. I am in fact a conceal carrier and have been through numerous hours of training on how to avoid these very circumstances. Hayes had too many opportunities to move on about his business a week ago. If he does this, he is not in jail for the rest of his life.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:24 am to 4LSU2
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all the while NOT being a licensed conceal carrier,
can you explain why, from the situation (that you made up, btw) you just described, does Hayes need to have a conceal carry license?
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
He's not a Felon. He pled to a Felony with Ike Spears a few years back, and Fuller came in and withdrew the plea and ended up breaking up the 95E to two misdemeanors.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:28 am to Lester Earl
Was he open carrying? Where are the facts that show he had a holster on his hip for legal open carry? You did see the picture of your buddy when he was handcuffed from the scene, correct??? Show me his side holster for legal open carry.
Once he pulled his gun from a concealed spot, he acted as a conceal carrier. The facts have already shown that he is not a permitted conceal carrier by the State of Louisiana.
Once he pulled his gun from a concealed spot, he acted as a conceal carrier. The facts have already shown that he is not a permitted conceal carrier by the State of Louisiana.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:31 am to 4LSU2
I think it's pretty much agreed upon that he pulled the gun from the vehicle he stepped out of.... Where he didn't need a permit to conceal it.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:34 am to 4LSU2
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Where are the facts that show he had a holster on his hip for legal open carry?
Where are the facts that he brandished the gun from a concealed spot from his body?
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The facts have already shown that he is not a permitted conceal carrier by the State of Louisiana.
actually every one assumes he doesnt have a CCL, but it has not been said one way or another. We know Will Smith had one, and we know he had been drinking, which is against the law in the state of LA.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:37 am to tLSU
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think it's pretty much agreed upon that he pulled the gun from the vehicle he stepped out of.... Where he didn't need a permit to conceal it.
If you agree to this scenario, you agree to murder 2.
SYG is much easier to defend if he was a conceal carrier and shot Smith at the door of Smith's vehicle. Had Smith been shot at the door of Hayes' H2, we have a completely different ballgame. Saying Hayes sought protection from his vehicle to retrieve his own firearm, return to the threat, then eliminate the threat because he thought the threat was going into his vehicle for his gun is not grounds for SYG.
Again, Fuller is simply diverting from the facts to supplant doubt in hopes for manslaughter.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:41 am to Lester Earl
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We know Will Smith had one, and we know he had been drinking, which is against the law in the state of LA.
We also know that he was not carrying when he was killed by Hayes. If he was carrying and stopped for dwi, he loses his carry permit, not his life.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:43 am to 4LSU2
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Was he open carrying? Where are the facts that show he had a holster on his hip for legal open carry? You did see the picture of your buddy when he was handcuffed from the scene, correct??? Show me his side holster for legal open carry.
Once he pulled his gun from a concealed spot, he acted as a conceal carrier. The facts have already shown that he is not a permitted conceal carrier by the State of Louisiana.
I am interested in seeing how that plays out. we arent sure at this time if he had the gun in his truck and retrieved it at some point. also open carry is not necessarily just in a holster. it is when the gun is visible and can easily be distinguished as a gun.
Im not sure how much it matters that he was carrying illegally if it is proven that smith and his passenger were the aggressors and made threats and/or had a gun.
Its a tough case all the way around. You can make the argument that either side fricked up by getting out of the vehicle. smiths side says they were scared after the hit and run incident and the subsequent collision but they still got out of their vehicle(where they had a gun) and from initial reports aggressively confronted hayes. that doesnt make sense to me.
on hayes side, you can say the same thing. he had 2 guns in his vehicle but still exited the vehicle when confronted by smith and hayes. so both parties left the protection of their vehicle to either start or get in a confrontation.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:45 am to Lester Earl
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its very sad that people are actually this simple minded to think this way
This is a high profile case and an excellent opportunity for NOLA to teach these thugs a lesson. If you murder somebody, then your arse gets reamed while you rot in jail.
NOLA DONT MISS OUT IN THIS OPPORTUNITY.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:46 am to Supermoto Tiger
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This is a high profile case and an excellent opportunity for NOLA to teach these thugs a lesson. If you murder somebody, then your arse gets reamed while you rot in jail.
NOLA DONT MISS OUT IN THIS OPPORTUNITY.
yeah good luck with that.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:48 am to 4LSU2
so you are saying it is legal to be in possession of a firearm while intoxicated?
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:49 am to Supermoto Tiger
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This is a high profile case and an excellent opportunity for NOLA to teach these thugs a lesson.
teach him a lesson even if he isnt guilty? is that what you are saying?
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:50 am to uptownsage
The rant should handle the investigation.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:51 am to uptownsage
The lengths his attorney is going to makes me feel like that dude Smith got murked out for good reason, or that he may have shot first.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:52 am to tLSU
quote:i believe LA is a "castle state" which considers your car an extension of your home. Which means it is legal to have a firearm in your vehicle as long as it is concealed from public view.
I think it's pretty much agreed upon that he pulled the gun from the vehicle he stepped out of.... Where he didn't need a permit to conceal it.
The ONLY issue is whether or not Hayes was legally allowed to posses a gun due to any prior convictions.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:53 am to Lester Earl
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teach him a lesson even if he isnt guilty? is that what you are saying?
He is guilty of murder! Angola for life.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 9:54 am to Supermoto Tiger
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He is guilty of murder! Angola for life.
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