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Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:57 pm to lsu xman
As mentioned on this thread, the issue is the interest rate, particularly for graduate students. 7% for an attorney for a debt that can’t be discharged in bankruptcy is just silly. I’ve paid over $30k towards my loans and my balance is higher today than when I graduated.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:09 pm to Joshjrn
Will this come with a $10k a month living wage too?
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:09 pm to Joshjrn
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I’ve paid over $30k towards my loans and my balance is higher today than when I graduated.
What are you paying per month, the absolute minimum? Same thing will happen with a credit card, with any loan.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:10 pm to lsu xman
And we’ll be paying that back with taxes. It all comes full circle.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:13 pm to Smeg
sure is but millionaire bankers got bailed out.. where were you to whine about that dude?
so f em and f this soy arse society and f you too dude
so f em and f this soy arse society and f you too dude
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:19 pm to Joshjrn
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particularly for graduate students
Maybe we should get rid of graduate programs where students pay tuition?
Graduate school should all be research based.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:24 pm to Mr Perfect
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f you too dude
F me?
F you. I took out loans. I paid them all back.
The real "F you" will be if student loans are forgiven and irresponsible people are rewarded by being given what
people like me earned by working hard, saving, and paying off our loans instead of enjoying the money.
To forgive these loans is basically spitting in the face of those who sacrificed to pay them off. It's essentially saying "you're a sucker for working those extra hours and not buying that newer car you wanted. You could have fricked off and you'd be in same place, financially, right now."
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:25 pm to Mr Perfect
Grow up playa and embrace responsibility
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:29 pm to lsu xman
Trashy to not pay what you owe. But, then, trashy defines the Left.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:35 pm to efrad
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to others who did not agree to the loan.
Otherwise known as tax payers.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:35 pm to Smeg
where were you to whine about auto bailout or banker bailout?
didn't hear a peep from your arse then did we..
didn't hear a peep from your arse then did we..
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:44 pm to Mr Perfect
I believe in the free market. I don't believe we should subsidize failure. I'm not for bailing out companies that can't sustain themselves. Doesn't matter if it's a car company or the USPS. If it can't support itself, then it doesn't need to exist. The market will find a way for something more efficient and profitable to replace it.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:45 pm to lsu xman
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren says she’d order her secretary of education to cancel up to $50,000 in college debt for about 95% of student borrowers on her first day in office, effectively erasing outstanding loans for about 42 million Americans.
The problem isnt that students owe loan money that they borrowed. It is that college tuitions have skyrocketed to absurd heights largely due to guaranteed monies from government.
My interpretation is going to ruffle feathers. Here goes:
Prior to the 1950s, college was kept in check by the market. This is because few people could afford to go. It was also a socioeconomic metric as only really rich or really smart people could go (not to mention the civil rights issues involved).
Once the GI Bill was introduced, college attendance exploded. And once the government saw how easily financing education could guarantee profit (ie loans cant be bankrupted away) they decided to dominate the market.
This lead to more people earning degrees. So most degrees have less value save all but the most rigorous or selective programs. And even those are full of competition and subject to economic problems.
But what compounded the growing problems was that industry made degrees the de facto hiring mechanism. Larger companies in particular love to use it as a mechanism to weed out candidates.
There are business owners on here who will disagree with me. But the question isnt if a handful of small companies do it. Its if the majority of large companies do it. And if said companies are hiring positions that are non-collegiate (restaurants, manual laborer, etc.) then this has no effect on those industries.
Also, the colleges themselves increased what they asked for to the point where half of the tuition has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL EDUCATION. The cost has reached a point where working a part time time job making minimum wage still doesnt cover the expenses at your average state University.
There are ways to mitigate this. 2 year community college then transfer to 4 year. Or possibly go to your local university (assuming they have a program you're interested in).
I doubt most people just want to be in crushing debt. The truth is that even more responsible people going to college have difficulty paying off loan debt along with other facts of life (cars, home, kids, etc.)
I'm not "making excuses" for anyone. But I am focusing on the reality of the situation. You aren't going to make everyone prioritize or think the same way you do.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:50 pm to Smeg
oh weird. college isn't a free market system since the feds got involved so why you out here supporting them gouging students? explain it dude. you're a walking arse contradiction
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:54 pm to Smeg
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I believe in the free market. I don't believe we should subsidize failure. I'm not for bailing out companies that can't sustain themselves. Doesn't matter if it's a car company or the USPS. If it can't support itself, then it doesn't need to exist. The market will find a way for something more efficient and profitable to replace it.
So did you disagree with former President Bush, because that's exactly what he did with Ford and GE.
I'm pointing that out because it's a fair criticism that Republicans love to bash Democrats for policies helping regular people, but bend the knee to bail out corporations for bad decisions and pay a private enterprises with public funds.
If you are bipartisan on this, I agree with you.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:57 pm to Mr Perfect
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college isn't a free market system
Sure it is. You can choose to invest in an education or not. You can go to work right out of high school if you wish. You can invest a little in a trade school or a lot and get a PhD. It's up to you to weigh the costs and benefits of each option.
If you invest in a degree that doesn't reward you enough to pay off the loan... Maybe that program shouldn't exist.
You agreed to the terms of the loan when you took it out. Just like agreeing to the terms of a credit card. If you rack up debt and can't pay it off, don't expect someone else to foot the bill.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 12:08 am to volod
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So did you disagree with former President Bush, because that's exactly what he did with Ford and GE.
I just told you I don't believe in government bail outs. If Ford can't compete because other automobile companies can make vehicles that more consumers want to buy... sorry? Ford has to be profitable in it's own. It has to find it's own niche. Either it has to be more efficient and make similar cars cheaper than it's competitor or make high end cars that justify the price tag. The market will always determine everything. Nothing good comes from supporting something that can't support itself. This applies to almost anything. The government shouldn't be subsidizing solar panels, etc..
Posted on 1/15/20 at 12:21 am to lsu xman
WASHINGTON (AP) — Presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren says she’d order her secretary of education to cancel up to $50,000 in college debt for about 95% of student borrowers on her first day in office, effectively transferring outstanding loans for about 42 million Americans to taxpayers.
There you go, fixed.
There you go, fixed.
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