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re: California $20 minimum wage = 18,000 jobs lost

Posted on 7/16/25 at 6:57 pm to
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1732 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 6:57 pm to
This is last line in first section but no clue what this means…

quote:

relative to the counterfactual
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24870 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 7:25 pm to
Dems don’t care
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44234 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 7:27 pm to
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could lead to the loss of approximately 100,000 jobs in the U.S. according to CNN.


It’s comical that you would fall for this nonsense.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44234 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 7:29 pm to
Don’t forget, Panera had an INCREDIBLY unique carve out.

They aren’t subject to the minimum wage hike.

The owner is BFF’s with ole Gav iirc.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
20096 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 7:47 pm to
Gavin didn’t think about this?
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
6349 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:02 pm to
They can pencil whip it all they want, but the true number is the 36,565 jobs lost, and it is right there in the first paragraph. Somehow, they claim their method increases the losses and then cuts it in half even as they admit the job market in non-fast food jobs decreased simultaneously.


“If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”

- Friedrich Hayek
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
9799 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:13 pm to
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California $20 minimum wage = 18,000 jobs lost


No one saw that coming.
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2521 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:33 pm to
“Could”
“Potential”
“Likely”

We’ve heard this a million times by the “experts.”
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10586 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:52 pm to
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Don't be simple.

Simple is understanding basic economics. You should try it.

quote:

Just because I said the links are garbage doesn't mean I disagree with the sentiment.

The fact is the links aren’t really relevant. What everyone with a fundamental understanding of economics knew would happen as a result of this is in fact happening. You failing at attempting to obfuscate that fact means you disagree.

quote:

Words matter.

Indeed.

Think about that in the context of your post.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:04 pm to
Is it better to have 530k fast food workers making $20 an hour or 550k fast food workers making $16 an hour? I didnt count the 200k fast food workers that were exempt from the wage increase.

550k x 16 = $8,800,000
530k x 20 = $10,600,000.

Seems the bill is great for fast food workers but sucks for fast food customers.
Posted by mjax57
Vinings, GA
Member since Mar 2012
5092 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:15 pm to
It looks great in a headline telling your voters that you got people $20 unskilled labor jobs. In reality, salaried management will be asked to cut labor hours and work with less employees.
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 9:16 pm
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
3293 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:52 pm to
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The fact is the links aren’t really relevant. What everyone with a fundamental understanding of economics knew would happen as a result of this is in fact happening. You failing at attempting to obfuscate that fact means you disagree.

But I don't disagree.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7568 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 10:01 pm to
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Dems don’t care

I used t fall into the "Dems don't understand economics" group, but now I agree w/ you--I think they don't care. They probably understand economics, but their voters largely don't want to be confused by numbers, logic, experience or statistics--they want pure emotions. Consequently, Dem politicians don't need facts, all they need is emotions. When low level jobs are lost because the minimum wage went up and became unsustainable, the Dem politicians will cry, yell, make accusations of others and emotionally blame something/someone else: racism, Republicans, "mean policies," oligarchy, _______ fill in the blank w/ your favorite excuse.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
46368 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 10:39 pm to
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All them rich people in California need to have their McDonald’s and Taco Bell. Someone has to work there and those people have to survive…tough solution idk


It will all be automated.
Posted by OKBoomerSooner
Member since Dec 2019
5287 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:17 pm to
Extremely telling that your response to someone calling out false sources is to attack them personally and lie about their views.
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 11:23 pm
Posted by OKBoomerSooner
Member since Dec 2019
5287 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:22 pm to
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Shocked its not more

I’m honestly surprised it had any effect. Not because basic economics would predict otherwise—of course artificially increasing the cost of labor = fewer jobs—but because so many employers already pay above the minimum wage even for low end jobs.

I recognize this example isn’t great bc it’s from Oklahoma and not California, but around here even the high school kids working first job type gigs at Chik-Fil-A or Braum’s are making $10/hr. Minimum is still $7.25. In fact I’m not sure that there are any jobs here that pay minimum. You either work in a weird exempt job that pays less, like waitstaff, or you’re an illegal immigrant making less than the minimum, or you work an above board normal job that invariably pays more than the minimum here.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2499 posts
Posted on 7/16/25 at 11:35 pm to
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Artificially moving the y axis vertically decreases the demand for labor, this is like economics 099. Literally one of the very first things you learn in an economics class


Exactly . . . My initial thought when I read the title was WTF would economist waste their time studying this. Its like conducting a study to prove that 1+1=2!
Posted by Bedtiger
Thibodaux
Member since Dec 2018
789 posts
Posted on 7/17/25 at 8:58 am to
The people of California don’t care, they don’t want to work anyway. They just want a redistribution of the wealth. Socialism, a growing trend that’s killing this country.
Posted by Reagan80
Earth
Member since Feb 2023
2330 posts
Posted on 7/17/25 at 10:05 am to
This is great news! They don’t need no stinking’ jobs!
Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
9475 posts
Posted on 7/17/25 at 10:15 am to
Surprised it is that low.
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