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re: Bruce Lee vs NFL lineman
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:15 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:15 pm to brmark70816
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Kevin Nash is about 6'11 and weighs around 350lbs. Chris Benoit was 5'9ish and weighed about 230lbs. I have heard shoot interviews from Nash on Benoit. He knew Benoit would beat his arse in a fight. Size can be overrated..
You’re going to use actors of a scripted sport to prove your point? I hope that’s a troll.
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:16 pm to Jim Rockford
NFL lineman every time, I had the pleasure of seeing a well known highly trained/experienced martial arts instructor have his body used as a floor mop by a 6"5 300lb drunk. The martial arts dude got off one kick, and the drunk cowboy grabbed the guy's foot when it hit him and never let go. It was quite a sight to see this guy hopping around on one foot trying to punch the guy.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:19 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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They were good because none knew what bjj was basically so no one game planned for it.
True, but it still showed that BJJ is hands down the best martial art for pure self defense when size is an issue. Royce beat guys much bigger and you can't tell me that some of those guys he beat had never wrestled or been on the ground in all their years of fighting.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:23 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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you need to look up the gracie's hunter. They were good because none knew what bjj was basically so no one game planned for it. Once you know what to expect it wasnt that effective
This is nonsense. BJJ is so effective that virtually every fighter made it part of their repertoire. You cannot compete in MMA without solid understanding of BJJ.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:25 pm to BlackAdam
*sigh* yes it is a good martial art but it us not the end all be all. Sakuraba for you gracie hunter
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:28 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Who said it was the end all be all?
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:36 pm to boom roasted
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Fedor whipped Zulu.
Good lord I just watched all 30 seconds of that. Zulu was so big and slow and Lost his balance so easily. How did that dude ever beat anyone?
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:38 pm to DeafJam73
I'm talking real life. Nash was scared of Benoit..
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:39 pm to brmark70816
quote:Turns out he was justified.
Nash was scared of Benoit..
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:41 pm to boom roasted
quote:so lany people put bjj on this pedestal whenever in reality it's like any other useful martial art in that if no one knows how to defend it they will be beaten
Who said it was the end all be all?
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:43 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:Someone as skilled as Bruce Lee was in martial arts wouldn't have a problem doing it. People forget that Lee was abnormally strong.
Another martial arts myth.
It's not easy to shatter someone's knee with a kick.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:43 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
So nobody?
Is that what they a strawman?
Is that what they a strawman?
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:49 pm to Henry Jones Jr
How does one go about shattering someone's knee with a kick? In all my years of watching MMA and kickboxing, I can't think of a single fight ending in a knee strike. In fact, leg kicks are often checked with the knee. Hell, that's how Weidman finished Anderson.
Only fight that comes to mind that's even close, is Le Banner vs Bernardo where Le Banner finished him with a leg kick that buckled the knee. But that wasn't a knee strike.
Only fight that comes to mind that's even close, is Le Banner vs Bernardo where Le Banner finished him with a leg kick that buckled the knee. But that wasn't a knee strike.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:50 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I know who Kazushi Sakuraba is. He was a great fighter with a solid catch as catch can base. The fact that he beat a ton of Gracies does not diminish the effectiveness of jiu jitsu. It is still a solid base skill set for MMA. And whether it is your base or not, an MMA competitor has to be aware of it and know how to advance from positions.
I have seen low level MMA fights where a fairly skilled stand up fighter got locked down in half guard and could not advance, and ended up getting submitted. Any BJJ white belt knows 3 to 4 ways to pass a half guard.
I have seen low level MMA fights where a fairly skilled stand up fighter got locked down in half guard and could not advance, and ended up getting submitted. Any BJJ white belt knows 3 to 4 ways to pass a half guard.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:51 pm to Jim Rockford
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Assume the lineman is 6-7, 340 and is wearing a cup so he can't be kicked in the nuts.
Does he have a cup on his knees, elbows, eyes?
Does he have any combat training at all? Boxing, wrestling, judo, MMA, etc.?
Because if not, big boy is going to have a bad day.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:57 pm to lsucoonass
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using any weapon
Using any weapon I'd take Jerry Miculek
Posted on 8/15/18 at 2:01 pm to Jim Rockford
I doubt Bruce Lee would fight someone 200 lbs heavier. Unless the lineman fought like a moron and allowed Lee to jab his eyes or throat, it would be no contest
Posted on 8/15/18 at 2:12 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Yeah sakuraba was a catch wrestler who beat royler, Royce in a 90 minute contest, and Ryan, I think he beat renzo as well
Mma also evolved and the older Gracie’s didn’t train stand up to evolve with the times
Mma also evolved and the older Gracie’s didn’t train stand up to evolve with the times
Posted on 8/15/18 at 2:15 pm to lsucoonass
Catch as catch can is similar but is more comparable to pankration where you’re more on the offensive and submissions to the lower extremities are more common and used
Posted on 8/15/18 at 2:19 pm to lsucoonass
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Mma also evolved and the older Gracie’s didn’t train stand up to evolve with the times
We actually do train stand-up. Obviously it is not a core part of our training but the Rickson/Royce/Royler side of the family tree stresses jits as a self defense martial art first and foremost and that means we drill some stand-up. Of course we would never be able to go toe to toe with a golden gloves boxer or a MT kickboxer but then again we could probably walk without a ton of damage.
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