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re: Brett Kavanaugh is certain a Louisiana law is rooted in racism.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:30 pm to ATrillionaire
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:30 pm to ATrillionaire
I actually agree with Brett on a philosophical level. The Constitution says “beyond a reasonable doubt”. If a juror votes “not guilty” they clearly had doubts. The problem comes with us having racist, unreasonable jurors who vote guilty/not guilty based only on race. The question is: is having guilty people go free due to racism worse than having innocent people go to prison due to not believing those doubts to be reasonable?
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:34 pm to TigerChief10
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I dont understand why the Dems hated Kavanaugh so much??
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bitching and moaning is their favorite past-time and he was nominated by Trump. Really no other reason
If that were true, the left would hate Gorsuch equally or even more. The left didn't put up nearly the fight for Gorsuch as they did for Kavanaugh.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:37 pm to ATrillionaire
Idiot libs turned the planet upside down opposing this guy and he’s actually a pretty liberal jurist.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:39 pm to ATrillionaire
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He was convicted of murder by a jury vote of 10 to 2 in 2016. The amendment to the state Constitution that barred non-unanimous verdicts only apply to crimes after 2018. If he wins, a lot of convictions may have to be overturned.
I would not think they would just be overturned...should all have to repeat trial.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:01 pm to ATrillionaire
If the jury is hung, defendant should walk. No retrying. Prosecution obviously sucked at their job, the defense attorney was really good, they should be guilty of a lesser charge, or the dude is innocent.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:02 pm to BMouzone
I would say the law is more to combat racism, and in doing so, I’d be correct. Let me be perfectly clear: OJ Simpson
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:12 pm to WHS
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dont understand why the Dems hated Kavanaugh so much??
Because he was a trump nom
It’s that simple. He’s a solid justice for the most part and seems to be able to look at things impartially
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:16 pm to ashy larry
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If that were true, the left would hate Gorsuch equally or even more. The left didn't put up nearly the fight for Gorsuch as they did for Kavanaugh.
Because kav was before the mid terms so they wanted to delay and hope they took the senate to block it
It will be ten times worse if trump has to nominate someone to replace RBG
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:20 pm to ashy larry
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If that were true, the left would hate Gorsuch equally or even more. The left didn't put up nearly the fight for Gorsuch as they did for Kavanaugh.
Gorsuch replaced Scalia. Status quo was maintained. Kavanaugh replaced Kennedy, and could have taken a swing vote.
Unfortunately it hasn't panned out quite that well.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:25 pm to ATrillionaire
Regardless of what it's rooted in, convictions based on jury verdicts that are not unanimous is bull shite and should end.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:28 pm to Loup
You're right, it's absolutely racist to refuse to convist someone just because they have the same skin color as you. That's why the law is there, to prevent racists from freeing guilty men and women.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:30 pm to ATrillionaire
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“The rule in question here is rooted in a—in racism, you know, rooted in a desire, apparently, to diminish the voices of black jurors,” the justice told the state’s solicitor general, Elizabeth Murrill.
he aint lying....but now the question becomes what happens if/when they go to unanimous verdicts and one juror, for whatever the reason, decides to hold out and vote not guilty.
Edit:seems to be a popular concern.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:34 pm to ATrillionaire
he's drunk again
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:59 pm to ATrillionaire
I mean. From what I understand, he’s not wrong. It may not be used TODAY for that purpose, certainly. But he’s not wrong.
Jury verdicts, at least in capital cases, should absolutely be unanimous for general constitutional purposes regardless, racism be damned.
Jury verdicts, at least in capital cases, should absolutely be unanimous for general constitutional purposes regardless, racism be damned.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 2:33 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Long ago, Democrats put in racist law.
Years later, a Republican SC judge, that Democrats tried to railroad with false accusations, overturns their racism.
So much irony here. So, so thick....
It's almost as if there was never a party shift.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 2:35 pm to AlonsoWDC
lol pARtY sHIft
Posted on 10/8/19 at 3:30 pm to kingbob
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The question is: is having guilty people go free due to racism worse than having innocent people go to prison due to not believing those doubts to be reasonable?
Answer is clear when you consider that you might be the one carted off to prison or the gallows. Unless we trust that the government is 100% correct every time.
The left muddying up our common ground is no accident.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 3:46 pm to SCLibertarian
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I dont understand why the Dems hated Kavanaugh so much??
Abortion
no, Kavanaugh said Roe v. Wade is established and he wouldn't overturn it.
This was nothing more than attacking anyone Trump nominated because Trump
And I don't even like Brett Kavanaugh (because he has an awful track record and wrote the patriot act)
Posted on 10/8/19 at 5:06 pm to 337Tigah
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Years ago I would be inclined to agree with him. These days, not so much. There's a lot to this.
In Nola today it could be what saves a person from being found guilty of white privilege. The tables have turned.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 5:21 pm to WHS
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I dont understand why the Dems hated Kavanaugh so much??
This evinces a pretty shallow understanding of constitutional law and politics. To say this law is rooted in racism is a no-brainer. That doesn't alter the fact that Kavanaugh has dozens of other opinions on other areas of constitutional law that are antithetical to the beliefs of most Democrats.
One side bitching about the other side's Supreme Court nominations is hardly a novel concept. Unless you're a millennial who doesn't pay much attention to court appointments.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 5:23 pm
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