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re: BR DA recusing his office from Sterling case

Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:10 pm to
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I'm glad everyone is eager to let the feds do their thing so our local public servants don't have to handle anything of consequence, but what will likely happen will resonate in this community long after these two officers learn their fate.


Perception is reality, unfortunately.

White cop shoots black guy. You're going to have this outrage and distrust over the local government. Add in the layer that the DA has a long, personal relationship with the cop's family. You're going to see the case passed off.
Posted by tiger81
Brentwood, TN.
Member since Jan 2008
21290 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:11 pm to
The protesters care little about the facts....anyone with a brain knows you investigate fully and then draw conclusions. They learned nothing from Ferguson, where the DOJ eventually ruled it was a justifiable shooting. Facts can be stubborn things....
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84835 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:11 pm to
It's sad that mob rule has made it come to this. Mr. Moore is a good DA and I would trust him to handle this case.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26152 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:11 pm to
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Add in the layer that the DA has a long, personal relationship with the cop's family.


I'm perusing the report on recusal. My instinct is that whatever is there is artifice.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:12 pm to
If he didn't have the family relationship with the officer, it would be highly disappointing that he passed it off. However, clearly the right choice based on the personal relationship.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:13 pm to
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Mr. Moore is a good DA and I would trust him to handle this case.


Agreed. But he's doing what is right for the community at large, to show them there isn't a single ounce of impropriety in the investigation.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84835 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:14 pm to
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Agreed. But he's doing what is right for the community at large, to show them there isn't a single ounce of impropriety in the investigation.



I agree, and it only shows that he has the community's best interest at heart.
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52583 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:15 pm to
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It'll cause that much more hell when the DOJ comes out saying no charges for a hate crime.

Good. They can take their bitching to Washington to protest after the fact
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
36144 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:16 pm to
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Didnt he say that it would be the attorney general (of la) that would either prosecute, assign another DA from another jurisdiction or appoint a special prosecutor? Does the DoJ prosecute local criminal charges? At best they would only be looking into violations of civil rights?


Why would the DOJ be getting involved in this other than investigating any federal civil rights violations?

The process for a recused DA is as follows (La. C. Cr. Pro. art. 682):

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When a district attorney is recused, or recuses himself, the trial judge shall either appoint an attorney at law, who has the qualifications of a district attorney and is not an assistant to the recused district attorney, to act in the place of the district attorney in the case, or shall notify the attorney general in writing of the recusation. In the latter instance, it shall be the duty of the attorney general to appoint a member of his staff or a district attorney of another district to act in the place of the recused district attorney. The substitute appointed for the recused district attorney shall have all powers of the recused district attorney with reference to the case.


Another attorney, DA, or AG should now handle the case
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:16 pm to
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They tried every single officer in Baltimore,

the state did. not the feds
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26152 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:16 pm to
Not a lot of meat on the bone of this relationship that disqualifies our DA from doing his job. He doesn't indicate he has represented them. He indicates he has no direct relationship with the accused.

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The only factor for the District Attorney in reaching this decision involves his relationship to the parents of officer Blane Salamoni. As has been covered in the media, his parents are both experienced law enforcement professionals who have achieved senior leadership positions within the Baton Rouge Police Department. Their careers and their professional responsibilities have often overlapped and interacted directly with the District Attorney. By example, officer Blane Salamoni’s mother was the Violent Crime and Crime Scene Commander during most of the District Attorney’s term of office and interacted personally and professionally with the District Attorney in establishing the parish-wide Violent Crime Unit in 2010. Since 2009, they have worked together on more than 400 homicides that the District Attorney has personally responded to since taking office. Officer Blane Salamoni’s father during this same period has commanded the department’s special operations unit and, in this capacity, has personally and alongside others in his unit provided the District Attorney, his family, and individuals on his staff with 24 hour security coverage when needed.

The District Attorney has no direct connection to either officer involved in this shooting and, if the legal test were one solely of direct connections, he could likely continue as the chief prosecutor responsible for making a determination as to any criminal responsibility for the death of Alton Sterling. The law, however, requires the District Attorney to look beyond direct connections. The Louisiana Supreme Court has previously stated: “He represents the State, and the State demands no victims. It seeks justice only, equal and impartial justice, and it is as much the duty of the district attorney to see that no innocent man suffers as it is to see that no guilty man escapes. Therefore he should not be involved or interested in any extrinsic matters which might, consciously or unconsciously, impair or destroy his power to conduct the accused’s trial fairly and impartially.” STATE V KING, 06-2383 (La. 12/15/06), 944 So.2d 1268
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26152 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:17 pm to
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the state did. not the feds


I know. The point is that sometimes the mob wins.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58616 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:17 pm to
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So who takes over the case? The state?


DOJ.
while they are here can they go check out the corruption of that DA in north louisiana, Jerry Jones.
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52583 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:20 pm to
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A local DA absolutely has business doing that.
Absolutely not. In this instance it's unethical and a conflict of interest. What's so hard to understand about that?
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26152 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:21 pm to
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Absolutely not. In this instance it's unethical and a conflict of interest. What's so hard to understand about that?


It is neither of those things. Read the report or look a few posts up. He is recusing under Supreme Court dicta. None of the actual peremptory rules requiring recusal were implicated. I'm relying on his report to draw that conclusion. His reasoning would result in his disqualification in every case involving police-defendants in this community.

I think this decision deserves scrutiny. I'm not saying my conclusion is the only one, but I think the report is pretty soft.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 12:24 pm
Posted by logjamming
Member since Feb 2014
8313 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:23 pm to
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Didn't the officer in Ferguson get off with the DOJ?



No, Bob McCollah, the DA for STL county handled the proceedings and presented the case to the grand jury. There was no indictment.

The DOJ did an independent investigation and agreed.
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
6088 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:25 pm to
Who wants a local DAs decision not to prosecute to then be challenged and then litigated by everyone in the media? Why allow the appearance of favoritism when there's a personal connection between the DA and the guys parents?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:27 pm to
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The Grand Jury was window-dressing. In fact, they actually eliminated some of the charges brought by Mosby


They added some too.

I'm not saying you're wrong about Mosby, I'm just explaining that the situations are different. In Ferguson the DOJ cleared Wilson of any civil rights violations.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26152 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:28 pm to
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Who wants a local DAs decision not to prosecute to then be challenged and then litigated by everyone in the media?


Anything short of an indictment is going to be questioned. Does that relieve the DA of doing his job? Not legally. This is a political move, I understand that. It doesn't appear to be justified. Hillar knows a lot of people. This type of analysis would result in disqualification on a ton of cases.

Hell, he's met with most of the influential gang bangers in this community as a result of BRAVE. Does that mean his office needs to be recused in each of those cases?
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26152 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:30 pm to
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They added some too.

I'm not saying you're wrong about Mosby, I'm just explaining that the situations are different. In Ferguson the DOJ cleared Wilson of any civil rights violations.




There is some confusion. I'm not saying this is anything like the DOJ. I'm saying sometimes there is a thirst for an indictment and a willing prosecutor, regardless of what the chances for success are. I'm afraid our DOJ investigation is going to be one that will attempt to placate a mob, not one that seeks the truth.
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