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re: Border Patrol-involved shooting in Minneapolis; person shot was allegedly armed
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:49 pm to stout
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:49 pm to stout
quote:
We have audio of a random gun going off before the shooting. People have said it was the suspect's gun as those guns are known for accidentally firing
As I said, my theory is that the agent heard it and in a split second, assumed it was the suspect firing
Unfortunate if that's what happened
By this logic: if you're pulled over and have a CCP or open carry, an officer takes possession of your weapon during the stop (for his safety) and misfires it, his partner has every right to shoot you out of fear.
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I'm starting to believe the theory one of the LEO accidentally discharged and the others reacted to that and killed the guy posing no actual threat.
I’m close to that based on the tight shot video I saw. I haven’t spent much time yet looking at the angles so I reserve the right to change my view but I think this is much messier than Good (which I think was 100% justifiable).
From what I’ve seen:
1) Pretti is being being subdued
2) Agent #1 disarms him
3) Shot is fired
4) Other Agents step back
5) Pretti reaches for holster (gun already gone)
6) Agent #2 fires shots into Pretti
#3 being an accidental discharge from Agent #1 makes the most sense given the scenario.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:51 pm to The Pirate King
Antifada terrorist
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:52 pm to Ingeniero
quote:
By this logic: if you're pulled over and have a CCP or open carry, an officer takes possession of your weapon during the stop (for his safety) and misfires it, his partner has every right to shoot you out of fear.
Am I fighting with 8 cops in your scenario or am I sitting in my truck peacefully?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:52 pm to TexasTiger08
quote:I believe the only video we have shows him standing out in the street kind of by himself. Not really near much agent activity. Not really bothering much.
And before that? The entire story needs to be told. Was he walking down the street sipping on a latte before being pushed and maced? Was he conversing with a Somalian about the intricacies of the stock market? Was he protesting?
He might have spent the previous 5 hours fricking with officers, idk. But we don’t see any of that at this point and he was not doing much from what we do see.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:52 pm to ReauxlTide222
It didn't have to be the guy who took the gun. They can almost 100% determine this by examining the various hands or gloves for gunpowder residue. If the dead person doesn't have any on his hands, then that's a problem for the law officers
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:53 pm to TexasTiger08
So he had a legal concealed carry. He was protesting which is his right. Ice appears to shove a woman to the ground, he walks over and tries to help her up he is sprayed and then tackled.
The ice officer in the gray disarms him by taking the gun out of his holster, walks away, then the ice officer executes the guy pinned down on the ground by six other officers.
The victim was a 37-year-old ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA.
The ice officer in the gray disarms him by taking the gun out of his holster, walks away, then the ice officer executes the guy pinned down on the ground by six other officers.
The victim was a 37-year-old ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:53 pm to Ingeniero
quote:
By this logic: if you're pulled over and have a CCP or open carry, an officer takes possession of your weapon during the stop (for his safety) and misfires it, his partner has every right to shoot you out of fear.
Every right, and may not always be convicted aren’t going to be analogs here
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:53 pm to dallastigers
Why are you posting that in here?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:53 pm to stout
quote:
A gunshot clearly went off
The issue is that the gunshot may have been from the acts of the police
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:53 pm to stout
quote:
Am I fighting with 8 cops in your scenario or am I sitting in my truck peacefully?
Split second decision. His partner knows you had a weapon on you just now. It was never communicated that officer #1 was taking possession of the weapon. Bullet through your head, unfortunately. How was officer #2 supposed to know it wasn't you shooting?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:53 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
I don’t think this is what I see at all.
Can you show me?
Seconds 23-24 on the slowed down tight shot video.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:54 pm to Stagg8
not us citizens, so they are there, or there "they"
now we can get to the resident hostiles and set things RIGHT
now we can get to the resident hostiles and set things RIGHT
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:54 pm to Ingeniero
quote:
By this logic: if you're pulled over and have a CCP or open carry, an officer takes possession of your weapon during the stop (for his safety) and misfires it, his partner has every right to shoot you out of fear.
Yup. I can only hope the ramifications of this position eventually register with them.
It's like if you took the insanely cucked positions of lefties you see in the UK and Australia and tried to invent a right wing version of it. You can carry a gun, but if law enforcement takes it from you and accidentally (or hell, intentionally, same logic works) discharges it, they can just kill you with no consequences.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:54 pm to stout
quote:
All zing and no substance. That's the whatiknowsofar way!
Let's play catch up instead of you ignoring what ive brought to this thread (factual info)
Are you still defending the ice officers or not?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:55 pm to Ingeniero
quote:
Split second decision.
You aren't very good at this
Am I fighting or sitting in my car?
Funny how you avoided that question the first time to try to drive your stupid narrative.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:55 pm to stout
quote:
previously concealed gun being introduced is not sufficient to be perceived as deadly force?
No. He was legally carrying it and did not brandish it
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
Also let me be clear
Criminal law, generally, and specifically with LEO-involved violence, is COMPLETELY skewed to protect the state/LEO at the expense of individual citizens and their rights
Criminal law, generally, and specifically with LEO-involved violence, is COMPLETELY skewed to protect the state/LEO at the expense of individual citizens and their rights
This post was edited on 1/24/26 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:That ship is sailing fast.
If the dead person doesn't have any on his hands
Especially with his shirt being pulled up and his back and waist exposed in the slow motion video.
He’s not even really resisting and they’d been fricking his shite up since they maced him.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:56 pm to Bonkers119
quote:
Having a concealed carry doesn’t mean you should be murdered
If you’re struggling with a team of
Law enforcement officers and aren’t complying and the. reach for it, you’re not murdered as much as given what you were trying for.
Physical gaslighting
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