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Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:40 pm to ReauxlTide222
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It can also be argued he was subdued crouched on his hands and knees, stable on the ground. His feet and legs certainly aren’t flailing around or digging for any anchor points or leverage to make any moves. 8 of them have him under control.
I can agree with this.
What preceded this? Was he standing against a building filming? Is that it? Or do we not know?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:41 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I don’t agree that man every once displayed a threat of deadly force. I THINK that dismantles the lawyer’s take on the matter.
He had to find a random twitter account to support his random side argument. Another thing literally every human on the planet knows, cops have been using the "I was in fear for my life" defense since the beginning of time. And it works. So I dont know why he keeps trying to derail back to that, over and over.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:41 pm to ReauxlTide222
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It’s looking like a firm no on both
It can also be argued he was subdued crouched on his hands and knees, stable on the ground. His feet and legs certainly aren’t flailing around or digging for any anchor points or leverage to make any moves. 8 of them have him under control.
An agent removed the gun from his arse area.
Then they executed him.
Damn that's nuts.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:42 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I don’t agree the man ever once displayed a threat of deadly force.
A previously concealed gun being introduced is not sufficient to be perceived as deadly force?
This post was edited on 1/24/26 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:42 pm to Old Money
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So I dont know why he keeps trying to derail back to that, over and over.
If it's a lie, we fight on that lie.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:42 pm to TexasTiger08
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What preceded this? Was he standing against a building filming? Is that it? Or do we not know?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:42 pm to stout
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A previpously gun being introduced
Try again
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:43 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Damn that's nuts.
I'm starting to believe the theory one of the LEO accidentally discharged and the others reacted to that and killed the guy posing no actual threat.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:44 pm to stout
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A previpously concealed gun
Try again.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:44 pm to stout
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previously concealed gun being introduced is not sufficient to be perceived as deadly force?
If it's not in his hands the argument gets tough
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:44 pm to ReauxlTide222
And before that?
The entire story needs to be told. Was he walking down the street sipping on a latte before being pushed and maced? Was he conversing with a Somalian about the intricacies of the stock market? Was he protesting?
The entire story needs to be told. Was he walking down the street sipping on a latte before being pushed and maced? Was he conversing with a Somalian about the intricacies of the stock market? Was he protesting?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:44 pm to ReauxlTide222
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It can also be argued he was subdued crouched on his hands and knees, stable on the ground. His feet and legs certainly aren’t flailing around or digging for any anchor points or leverage to make any moves. 8 of them have him under control.
He very clearly reaches to his holster after the first shot.
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An agent removed the gun from his arse area.
True but it is highly unlikely that Pretti or the agent that shot him knew that based on the video.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:45 pm to stout
quote:I don’t think it is, no.
A previously unknown gun being introduced is not sufficient to be perceived as deadly force?
Especially in the manner they found it and the position he was in when they found it.
Then they took it.
He was just down on his hands and knees. Mostly bc they put him there.
I don’t think he showed any threat of deadly force man. Idk what else to tell you.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:45 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:I don’t think this is what I see at all.
He very clearly reaches to his holster after the first shot.
Can you show me?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:47 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I don’t think he showed any threat of deadly force man. Idk what else to tell you.
We have audio of a random gun going off before the shooting. People have said it was the suspect's gun as those guns are known for accidentally firing
As I said, my theory is that the agent heard it and in a split second, assumed it was the suspect firing
Unfortunate if that's what happened
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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previously concealed gun being introduced is not sufficient to be perceived as deadly force?
Did he unconceal and introduce his weapon? There is no grey area. We see the video of what happened.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:49 pm to ReauxlTide222
The first video I’ve seen shows him recording an officer. They are in each other’s face, and the officer pushes him back a bit. Then the car recording moves on from the scene. I’m curious what started this whole confrontation.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Certainly on the table
I'm starting to believe the theory one of the LEO accidentally discharged and the others reacted to that and killed the guy posing no actual threat.
What keeps me hesitant on that is the man who takes the gun away doesn’t react like he just fired a shot into a group of 8 of his friends, does he?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If it's not in his hands the argument gets tough
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based on the totality of circumstances — that the suspect poses an imminent threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.
So the agents only get to use one of their five senses in judging a situation or can they use their hearing too?
A gunshot clearly went off
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