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re: Border Patrol-involved shooting in Minneapolis; person shot was allegedly armed
Posted on 1/26/26 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/26/26 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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The admin has lost this PR battle. It's over.
Not at all, poker player.
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trump is now in a quagmire where the smart people in his admin understand the gravity of their frickup,
Rubio has been mighty quiet the last few days.
My 4D chess/wishcasting theory is that he can leverage this time to make a run in 2028 and bring about some actual beneficial immigration policy changes. He can take the strong border and visa restrictions tough stance from his time in the administration and pair it with his more forgiving plan for people in the interior from his Gang of 8 days and 2016 campaign, and crush it with independents.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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They've already won, basically. You just haven't realized it or won't for emotional reasons.
wishcasting 
Posted on 1/26/26 at 9:54 am to texag7
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Not at all, poker player.
Look at the polling data. Immigration has gone from one of Trump's strongest positions after the 2024 election to a liability, and it all cratered with this MN frickup.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 9:55 am to GRTiger
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wishcasting
Look at the data.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 9:55 am to lionward2014
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My 4D chess/wishcasting theory is that he can leverage this time to make a run in 2028 and bring about some actual beneficial immigration policy changes. He can take the strong border and visa restrictions tough stance from his time in the administration and pair it with his more forgiving plan for people in the interior from his Gang of 8 days and 2016 campaign, and crush it with independents.
Being a Cubano from Florida, he has some bona fides.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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The admin has lost this PR battle. It's over.
Ok. Then why are you so dead set against being critical of Walz and Frey?
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You're extrapolating irrationally.
You're deflecting irrationally.
I want to know what you, SFP, thinks about how Walz and Frey have handled the situation. I know what you, SFP, thinks about how Trump has handled the situation.
You have zero hesitation of the latter, but for some reason have a huge hangup on the former. I just want to know why. It's not that hard to give your opinion. I mean this is just a message board. You're not in court.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 9:58 am to The Pirate King
In 2020, if Pretti had shown up armed to protest Minnesota's COVID shutdowns, every leftist in the country would say he deserved to be shot by police.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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Being a Cubano from Florida, he has some bona fides.
His track record in the Senate is spectacular, and his ability to conversate with Central American leaders has been extremely beneficial. He is one year in and bordering on being the best Secretary of State in my lifetime. Having a Latino who speaks fluent Spanish be the one fully implementing a 21st Century version of the Monroe Doctrine makes perfect sense.
I know MAGA has anointed Vance already, but Little Marco is a better candidate IMO.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:03 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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In 2020, if Pretti had shown up armed to protest Minnesota's COVID shutdowns, every leftist in the country would say he deserved to be shot by police.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:04 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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In 2020, if Pretti had shown up armed to protest Minnesota's COVID shutdowns, every leftist in the country would say he deserved to be shot by police.
Yes, just like they said the J6'ers should be in jail and that Rittenhouse shouldn't have brought his gun to the protest. The Left are hypocrites. They don't care about immigrant populations on a meaningful level, all they care about is fighting Trump. Being consistent in your beliefs means sometimes you have to call your own side out and/or acknowledge someone from the other side had something shitty happen to them (even if they have some fault in the situation).
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:05 am to Centinel
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why are you so dead set against being critical of Walz and Frey?
I'm not. As was already explained.
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I want to know what you, SFP, thinks about how Walz and Frey have handled the situation.
They made a political choice that is paying dividends for the party.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:06 am to lionward2014
RDS has been the most effective GOP politician in terms of actually doing work in the area of illegals
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm not. As was already explained.
You've not made a single statement about your opinion on Walz or Frey's methods aside from "it's good for the democrat party"
I asked for *your* opinion on their methods. Not whether or not it is "good for the party". You won't give a straight answer.
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They made a political choice that is paying dividends for the party.
See above.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
I think it's a little early to declare this a total loss for MAGA. The optics of the shooting are bad but there's still plenty of rhetoric left that puts the blame on Walz and local politicians. This isn't happening in 99% of cities where immigration law is being enforced. The longer this drags on, the more it looks like Minneapolis is the issue. We've seen from the BLM/Floyd riots that the population can quickly turn if they perceive the "resistance" as going too far
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:16 am to Ingeniero
The problem is that the inherent issue with the strategy is escalation and over aggression. There's going to be a response from the left from this latest shooting which increases the chances severely of another bad shoot. Being overly aggressive always increase the chances, and then we had the first one, and then we had the response (which the public supports), and now we haven't even less defensible shooting that the public is going to rake the administration over the coals over.
I described this on the political talk board as a person blowing their hand up with a firecracker. It's not fatal yet but it is irreversible disfigurement. It's not suicide.
Now the insurrection act? That's potential suicide. The left are begging Trump and the administration to be the actual dictators they always falsely accused him of being. And I have to imagine Trump is smart enough to understand this issue and that's why it hasn't really been entertained as an actual policy and is left to the red meat eaters online
I described this on the political talk board as a person blowing their hand up with a firecracker. It's not fatal yet but it is irreversible disfigurement. It's not suicide.
Now the insurrection act? That's potential suicide. The left are begging Trump and the administration to be the actual dictators they always falsely accused him of being. And I have to imagine Trump is smart enough to understand this issue and that's why it hasn't really been entertained as an actual policy and is left to the red meat eaters online
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 10:18 am
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:19 am to whatiknowsofar
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A man was murdered
There will be thousands of men murdered this year but you won’t care because you won’t be able to score political points
Typical leftist fake outrage
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 10:21 am
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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They made a political choice that is paying dividends for the party
This all depends on how the anti-ICE reponse line is handled now that it is known that higher ups in the state government are behind it.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:21 am to UtahCajun
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This all depends on how the anti-ICE reponse line is handled now that it is known that higher ups in the state government are behind it.
It'll be handled like the rampant fraud in the state. That is to say, it won't be.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 10:27 am to UtahCajun
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This all depends on how the anti-ICE reponse line is handled now that it is known that higher ups in the state government are behind it.
This talking point is only within the echo chamber. Why would it resonate nationally when when national support is already flipped on the issue? Flipped, I must emphasize, before this latest shooting that is even having Republicans and groups like the NRA have to respond to the administration.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 10:29 am
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