re: Body cam footage of police interactions with Ahmaud Aubrey

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And therein lies the rub.Because from the evidence we know of at this point, they had no legal right to a citizen's arrest.

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i agree, they had no right to a citizen's arrest. that's irrefutable by Georgia law.

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Did they purposefully seek out AA to "arrest" because previous interaction with him colored their opinion of whether he is a "criminal" or not?

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there is my rub with your line of thinking. You quote "arrest" and "criminal" when you are implying "murder" and "black person."

you have absolutely 0 idea if there was racist intentions on their part. Possibly so. Probably so. Maybe not at all. I don't know. You don't know. You put quotes in there to imply something you and I don't know because you assume they're racists.

If they are, have at them. Charge them with a hate crime. They deserve nothing less than a manslaughter charge at best.

I hate racism. It's evil and stands against everything I believe about liberty, civility, humanity, and what the Bible tells me about my fellow man. But don't assume they're racist just because it makes a better story or fits preconceived notions.

Belle, I always appreciate your take as it's usually on the other side than me, but you're always agreeable. This wasn't directed at you, but just the line of thinking that goes to IT HAS TO BE RACISM. THERE'S NO WAY IT COULDN'T BE.

Agreed. IMO this is a hate crime. They were stalking a dude and took the law into their own hands. I doubt the suspects would have done that to a white guy.

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Kujo

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No matter how hard you try, you're not going to excuse those two peckerheads that got trigger happy wanting to be neighborhood heroes.

God, you're an insufferable piece of shite sometimes

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That is murder. I think some of you are under the impression that they had to have planned this out for it to qualify, and that is simply not the case.

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This. The people talking about manslaughter are ignorant of the statutes.

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Why??????

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because of this

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They basically chased him down and shot him. End of story.

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Not sure he was into rock.

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Which explains them both having loaded weapons, and one was sitting in the bed of a truck. One of the first lessons in gun use I was taught was that you don't chamber a round and take off the safety until you intend to fire it.

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In your head, whats your confidence level the McMichaels saw themselves holding him at gunpoint and never foresaw shooting him? I'm guessing it's quite high.

There are very few people in the country who possess the racial animus to contemplate, much less conduct, a lynching. It's extremely uncommon, and it's simply not very likely that the McMichaels are in that camp. That's just playing the odds, and not even factoring in the significant evidence that this was the product of misguided and reckless vigilantism.

Few people dispute that these guys are stupid, reckless and a disgrace to everyone who wants the liberty to use firearms to defend themselves and their property. So applying reasonable standards of firearm use to them is a misapplication IMO.

Keep in mind that none of the above removes the relevance of racial bias/prejudice, or the other injustices you discuss. But it does, IMO, remove the most core component of "lynching" - and use of that label is counterproductive to a socially meaningful conversation about this case.

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Who cares. It’s completely irrelevant

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exactly, the two rednecks are going down for murder one.

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They caused the death of another human being while they were in the commission of a felony—aggravated assault. That is murder. I think some of you are under the impression that they had to have planned this out for it to qualify, and that is simply not the case.

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i'm open to being wrong on the charges of course. I phrased it elsewhere as "at a minimum, they should be charged with voluntary manslaughter under the best conceivable conditions."