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re: Bob Dylan Wins Nobel Prize for Literature!

Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:16 am to
Posted by REG861
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:16 am to
Dylan is a world class poet, not sure why your jimmies are rustled unless you're another hick who thinks he was some communist. Let's not act like Churchills Nobel wasnt some career achievement award, as well.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:31 am to
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That being said, giving him a Nobel prize is absurd.


Absurd? What else qualifies someone for the Nobel Prize if not being the best songwriter in American History?
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:38 am to
Only argument is that is song writing really "literature". Obviously it's a form of poetry which would be considered literature. But would Dylan's works be known if he didn't sing them? Not sure. But in terms of quality and impact, he's on the level of a Hemmingway or Kipling in my opinion. He's just in a different "medium" I guess, so you don't think of him the same way.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:39 am to
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The scary part is that in 2056 Snoop Dogg will win
Probably. The Nobel is kind of a joke.
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:41 am to
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Dylan is a world class poet, not sure why your jimmies are rustled unless you're another hick who thinks he was some communist


Have your read Churchill's "History of the English Speaking Peoples"?

I have.


Have you read "Forsythe Saga" by Galsworthy?

How much Kipling have you read?

Or Hemingway?

To even throw Dylan into the same group as those fellows is laughable, but then these are the same people who gave Barack Obama the Peace Prize before he served one day in office.

Hang in there, maybe Madonna will get one too
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:42 am to
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Great songwriters indeed, but nowhere near the body of work as a songwriter as Dylan IMO.
Woody Guthrie.

And Bob himself agrees with me.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38365 posts
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:45 am to
So you are one of those hicks then, thanks for letting us know. 'He was a communist ! Derp de derp!'

FYI I finished Jenkins biography of Churchill this month and have read every single Hemingway short story. I've read a day in the life of Iva denisovich, etc. If you don't think Dylan had an equivalent impact on American songwriting you're a fricking tard, no matter how profound you think your library is.
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Posted by Sparkplug#1
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:49 am to
Bob is one of the best poets of all time. Love his music.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:50 am to
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To even throw Dylan into the same group as those fellows is laughable


Why is it laughable? At least pose an argument.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38365 posts
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:54 am to
Because apparently Dylan, the most influential American songwriter, is undeserving to be named alongside such luminaries as Harold freaking Pinter

/sarcasm off

If you have a problem with Dylan being classified as a poet, that's one thing. If you can't appreciate his songwriting and its impact, no one will take you seriously.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 12:05 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:02 pm to
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Because apparently Dylan, the most influential American songwriter, is undeserving to be named alongside such luminaries as Harold freaking Pinter



But Harry wrote some swell plays and hated the hell out of George W Bush, so hard to argue with his winning, right?

As to who the modern day Dylans are, I love Ryan Bingham but he doesn't fit the mold for me. Joe Pug might.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:04 pm to
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This seems more like a lifetime achievement award.

Whatever. Who gives a frick?



Nobel Lit is always body of work

Pulitzer is for this year's works.

Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:19 pm to
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Joe Pug might.


Funny story about how I turned someone on to Joe Pug the other day...

My girlfriend's friend sent us a picture of our other friend whom she is dating with on Snapchat and he had the 'pug' filter. His name is Joe, so the caption was "Joe Pug."

I asked her if she was referencing the singer/songwriter, and she said that she had never heard of him. Sent her some links and she loved it.

Maybe that wasn't that funny of a story. Oh well.

Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:20 pm to
Dylan is a huge Woody Guthrie fan, and most would agree he was a great song writer, but can you name 10 Woody Guthrie songs off the top of your head? I know I personally can't and neither can most people. I know that doesn't mean anything, but genius only goes so far if no one knows about you (obviously people know Guthrie, but not to the extent of Dylan). Hell, people don't know Dylan Thomas as much as they know Dylan and it's where he got his name!

That's another interesting thing about ole Zimmerman. He pretty much created his "character" from scratch. He's your everyday typical Midwestern kid who moved to NYC and became this caricature of folk scene myth. It's pretty much an act.

His book Chronicles is a really interesting read. They've got stuff in there of him going to find songs that Woody Guthrie told him he could have but couldn't find, only for it to be found and recorded years later by Wilco. Also, he spends time recording in NOLA later in his career and he just rides his motorcycle down to places like Raceland and he talks about it. It's really interesting.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:22 pm to
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His book Chronicles is a really interesting read.


My high school ex-girlfriend gave me this book for my birthday one year. I need to read it again, as I am sure that I'd appreciate it much more.
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9796 posts
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:37 pm to
His lyrics are not Nobel worthy.
Mark Knopfler is by far a better lyricist.

So is Sondheim who captures irony and the contradictory actions of the human heart better than any composer writing today.

I don't think those two composers are Nobel worthy either.

Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:45 pm to
Calling someone a "tard". That screams high brow.
Where did I say anything about his politics?

Hemingway supported the loyalists during the Spanish Civil War. Does that mean I don't think he deserved the Nobel?
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:50 pm to
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Mark Knopfler is by far a better lyricist.



This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
60076 posts
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:51 pm to
Bob Dylan sucks
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