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re: Blacks and Hispanics who failed teacher certification test in NY awarded $1.8B

Posted on 7/15/23 at 3:52 pm to
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25052 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 3:52 pm to
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lawsuit that found a certification exam was biased.


Knowing how to read, write and do math are clearly racist.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7152 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 3:56 pm to
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Court rulings found the exam violated civil-rights laws, allowing far more white candidates to pass.
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He couldn’t recite examples of why the test was biased.
Real life ladies and gentlemen
Herman Grim did NOT file this lawsuit. This was a class action. Grim was not a named plaintiff. He probably did not know anything about the lawsuit until last week.

He took the test 30 years ago.

Who is going to remember a question from a test they took 30 years ago?
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
129185 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 3:57 pm to
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NY,CA,and MN can go broke for all I care. Those democratic states reap what they sow


But they wont because feds always bail them out

Your tax dollars and the fed money printer at work
Posted by Sponge
Member since Nov 2018
4595 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:05 pm to
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$1.8B

Instead of spending this kind of money to help minorities thrive and meet the standard, Democrats reward them for failing.

I feel like I've seen this before.
Posted by Tupelo
Member since Aug 2022
1715 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:08 pm to
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Who is going to remember a question from a test they took 30 years ago?


Well, he apparently didn't know the answer to the question 30 years ago, so why would he still remember the question 30 years later?
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124694 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:10 pm to
It was a good run America

All good things must come to an end

RIP
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
22899 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:11 pm to
Somebody needs to write a book entitled Stupidity for Profit.
Posted by tiggah1981
Winterfell
Member since Aug 2007
18055 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:13 pm to
another example why this country is so arse backwards

genealogy site said i’m .0004 black

wtf is my raparations
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7152 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:15 pm to
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Who is going to remember a question from a test they took 30 years ago?
Well, he apparently didn't know the answer to the question 30 years ago, so why would he still remember the question 30 years later?
Well, maybe the question should not have failed to evaluate whether a test taker would be a competent teacher.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56523 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:19 pm to
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Well, maybe the question should not have failed to evaluate whether a test taker would be a competent teacher.



That's a pretty high standard you're holding these tests to. What if the test was from a historically disenfranchised group and can't do testing as well as other examinations?
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
37097 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:19 pm to
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Failing the New York State teachers’ exam really paid off — especially for a Queens man who learned this month he’s getting a $2 million windfall over it.


What a country
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
135811 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:20 pm to
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more than $1.8 billion in judgments after the city stopped fighting a nearly three-decade federal discrimination lawsuit


Ah taxpayer dollars are endless aren't they?
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
8885 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:23 pm to
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NY,CA

Will never go broke .

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MN

Could go broke
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
59378 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:24 pm to
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Well, maybe the question should not have failed to evaluate whether a test taker would be a competent teacher.


So, whites who failed the test are getting a piece of this, too? No, no they’re not.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9456 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:25 pm to
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Court rulings found the exam violated civil-rights laws, allowing far more white candidates to pass.


I guess this is just because more whites passed without any other consideration.

Going back to 1994 did any of these victims try to take exam again?

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But Grim recalled hiring private tutors and studying for it during the early 1990s, before failing many times.

“I can’t tell you how many times I took them. A lot! A lot!” he said.


First failed in mid 90s. Failing over and over again should be celebrated, and nice to learn he passed the newer test last year and is teaching his special ed to special ed students.

Since 2015-
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he predominately made a living as a substitute teacher until passing the current certification test last year and going to work as a special education teacher for the city in Harlem.



They are getting pension checks as well for work never done.

Some whites failed as well. In around 11 years around 10% of the whites failed based on one article. Do they get all this back pay? Did any retake and pass?

51% to 62% of the blacks passed during same time period. They really screwed up being successful…

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The teachers’ case involves the Liberal Arts and Sciences Test, a state-mandated exam that city educators and job applicants were required to take from 1993 to 2004.

More than 90 percent of white test-takers passed the 80-question multiple-choice quiz — one version of which asked teachers to ­explain the meaning of a painting by pop artist Andy Warhol.

But black applicants scored passing grades only between 51 and 62 percent of the time, and Latinos had an even lower passing rate, just 47 to 55 percent.


If 51% to 62% of the blacks who took the test passed the ones that failed did so for reasons not involving a racist test.
Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
25739 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:27 pm to
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NY,CA,and MN can go broke for all I care. Those democratic states reap what they sow

While I 100% agree, the states will get bailed out by the Feds any time there is a Democrat POTUS or House in DC.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62000 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:29 pm to
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“The standards are the standards,” he said. “It shouldn’t be based on what would be easy for blacks or whites. To hire people who are not qualified and change the requirements because a certain group didn‘t pass the test is bulls–t.”



This
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7152 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:30 pm to
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So, whites who failed the test are getting a piece of this, too? No, no they’re not.
Why are they not getting a piece? You cannot win a battle you don't fight.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
59378 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:34 pm to
I know several whites who have failed the PRAXIS test (for teacher certification in LA and many other states now) multiple times. Should we just give them a career’s worth of salary and benefits because they can’t pass the test?
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
119731 posts
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:36 pm to
Where are c on z and Wb Davis to set us straight
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