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re: Black students in Mississippi are now significantly outperforming black Wisconsin students

Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:05 am to
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:05 am to
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I think you in your typical racist liberal way though can’t comprehend that southern black students are smart enough and worthy enough of doing better than northern counterparts even with less money. Hence you accusing them of cheating


Mighty presumptuous of you to call me racist. Let me ask you this, why in the world in this day and age does any demographic, white or black, Northern or Southern, need to be taught basic childhood skills like reading writing and math? These are all things parents should have them already doing by the time they were in a pre-K. Generation after generation was taught basic skills in public schools no extra funding, or all this fuss and muss was needed. So what happened?

This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 8:07 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:11 am to
I’m not crawfishing on anything. In the last thread on this I argued that the progressive NE and Midwest institutions will never acknowledge equality of their southern peers and God forbid they out perform them.

I’ve been a huge proponent of using the older teaching methods for math and science that have decades of proven results and are significantly cheaper to run, supply, and institute. I’ve railed on here against the explosion in staff as opposed to teachers at schools. I’ve condemned and criticized the rampant wasteful spending by public schools in LA and nationwide ever since I signed up on TD in 2016 (I think).

My stance hasn’t changed on this site nor in this thread. You’re the one deflecting from your take that numbers are cooked/inflated/fabricated, that this is some vast governmental conspiracy to *checks posts* prop up the states that are spending less per student, and to make the red states look better than the blue states.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:11 am to
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A simple 5 minute Google search can prevent you from being a fool.




Yeah we've never heard something like this before and then discover its a bunch of bullshite.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:11 am to
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That’s ridiculous! It makes no sense to make that adjustment. They are outright saying that LA has too many black, blacks are stupid, so let’s adjust the scores. Liberal racist bullshite on display


Couldn’t agree more.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:18 am to
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Wonder if Covid lockdowns had anything to do with it. Mississippi and Louisiana didn’t lock down as aggressively.


Probably.

But the biggest factor is LA and MS decided that every student was going to learn to read, no excuses.

The states whose schools are in freefall are the ones saying math and reading are white supremacist constructs.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25840 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:19 am to
MS focuses heavy on reading in elementary school if you cannot pass the test in third grade you are not allowed to progress and are held back.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:19 am to
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Mighty presumptuous of you to call me racist.



You ae trying to deflect that you said that they were cheating. You even cited examples to prove your point earlier.


You don’t believe that southern black students are capable of this.


You have been so thoroughly demolished in this thread that you are trying to now act like you were being sarcastic and trolling the entire time to make a point about republican spending.

This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 8:22 am
Posted by Yewkindewit
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:19 am to
Adjusted for demographics eh……..I still don’t believe it. But, certainly like seeing improvement.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41388 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:20 am to
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MS focuses heavy on reading in elementary school if you cannot pass the test in third grade you are not allowed to progress and are held back.


It’s almost like holding people (kids included) to clear, relevant standards results in better results in the long run.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:22 am to
I was not a fan of our current governor, but he has been doing a lot of great things with brining in jobs and in education.


On a bad note, he just signed a bill that will hurt our first responders and educators with the new 35 year retirement plan. It was 30 years before they changed it this year.
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:25 am to
Well, if they've done the adjusting consistently over the years and thr scores have risen, that is showing improvement.

I think adjusting and weighting is ridiculous also, but I want this to be good news.

Was this data from public schools only?
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:25 am to
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Great . I see you walked right into it too.

So Maga Dogeing the DOE out of existence is the logical thing to do right? The less we spend on them the stronger student's scores are correct?
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:26 am to
now do Asians.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41388 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:28 am to
Just look at the unadjusted scores for MS. I think they are ranked somewhere around 33rd unadjusted. LA may not be in the bottom 10 any longer.

Those are states that have traditionally been 49 and 50.

Two things I took away from the scores I posted earlier, MA has a great public school system in terms of scores. Oregon and WV is arse
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:33 am to
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49 and 50.


Always our rankings, on seemingly everything.

Honestly, if we could get public education fixed in our State, we could attract more jobs.
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:36 am to
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You ae trying to deflect that you said that they were cheating. You even cited examples to prove your point earlier.


I never said the black students were cheating. I said the educators were and it was plenty of motivation for the department of education bureaucrats to look the other way. You must've failed fifth grade reading comprehension.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36433 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:44 am to
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never said the black students were cheating. I said the educators were and it was plenty of motivation for the department of education bureaucrats to look the other way. You must've failed fifth grade reading comprehension.



So let me get this straight.


You think it’s more plausible that the entire state of Mississippi has a grand cheating scheme that everyone except the students is in on and taking part in rather than black students bettering themselves and learning the material once it has been presented in a better way.


And you have deluded yourself into believing you aren’t racist. You are making it clear that you think they are completely incapable of learning.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 10:46 am
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34773 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:48 am to
The South:



You just thought this shite ended at Appomattox. Haw.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
39018 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:48 am to
Mississippi doesn't have near the numbers of liberal white women out to "protect" blacks by enacting the very policies that ensure blacks are doomed to failure.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466158 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:53 am to
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Because the school system is full of liberal I know better than you blow hard like yourself.

If you listen to the series, a more apt description is the school systems are a cult that reject data outside their echo chamber, like a different group popular in political discussion today.
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