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re: Black students in Mississippi are now significantly outperforming black Wisconsin students
Posted on 5/6/25 at 11:31 pm to TigerGman
Posted on 5/6/25 at 11:31 pm to TigerGman
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You are assuming the grades aren't being puffed... Let;s see Wisconsin's schools grade puffing credibility vs. La & Miss ?
This is precisely what an uneducated or uninformed person would type. Make a dumb post without reading the data and informing yourself to understand the reason for the changes.
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 12:17 am
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Posted on 5/6/25 at 11:32 pm to TigerGman
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If decades of throwing away billions into the States show continued failure, they face Republican budgets cuts.
The good results they're showing are the states spending less
Posted on 5/7/25 at 1:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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The good results they're showing are the states spending less
So in other words, let's DOGE the Dept of Education into oblivion and watch a dramatic increase in the quality of public education, right?
Right?
Right?
Maybe I should X Musk and suggest he add the Dept to his hit list!
MAGA Toro!
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 1:25 am
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:30 am to TigerGman
TigerGman,
Are you stupid or something?
Are you stupid or something?
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:51 am to Victor R Franko
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TigerGman,
Are you stupid or something?
Well since I always directly address the arguments, & don't come off like a clueless moron just stooping to ad hominem attacks, I'd say I'm "something".
You tell me...
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 2:54 am
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:20 am to TigerGman
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So are you trying to say the scumbag, liberal Fed Bureaucrats infesting the Education Dept are above DEI number's juggling?
quote:
TigerGman
You are a legitimately stupid person.
It is quite hilarious that you've shown a complete lack of reading comprehension in a thread about elementary school reading, though.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:23 am to LawyerBillboards
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Are MS and WI students taking the same tests?
well considering the N in NAEP stands for the word "National"....
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:25 am to pankReb
quote:
You are a legitimately stupid person. It is quite hilarious that you've shown a complete lack of reading comprehension in a thread about elementary school reading, though.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:31 am to pankReb
quote:
It is quite hilarious that you've shown a complete lack of reading comprehension in a thread about elementary school reading, though.
Apparently you skipped Latin 101 in 5th grade. Here, let me help you out:
quote:
ad hominem
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.
Example: After Sally presents an eloquent and compelling case for a more equitable taxation system, Sam asks the audience whether we should believe anything from a woman who isn't married, was once arrested, and smells a bit weird.
ETA: Sorry, my Faux Pas. From your lack of a substantive response I shoulda realized that's too many letters for you to read . Here ya go little buddy,,,
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:31 am to TigerGman
Every point you’ve asserted as a possible reason for corruption has been negated with either facts or better counter points/questions.
We had a long thread on this a few weeks ago when jt was first posted. Mississippi has made significant strides in improving overall test scores. Not adjusted, just overall.
When adjusting for demographics, basically seeing how white peers compare to white peers. Latino to Latino, black to black, etc, LA and MS are showing excellent scoring.
Now, you can and should argue that adjusting scores for demographics of skin color is inherently racist and demographics of % of students in poverty, % of single mother households, and % of students without college educated parents should be a much better comparison. However, the study did it by race because that’s an easy demographic factor to measure.
You are exactly what the OP
Is talking about though. God forbid something that LA and MS have done differently over the past 20 years actually work to improve the states
We had a long thread on this a few weeks ago when jt was first posted. Mississippi has made significant strides in improving overall test scores. Not adjusted, just overall.
When adjusting for demographics, basically seeing how white peers compare to white peers. Latino to Latino, black to black, etc, LA and MS are showing excellent scoring.
Now, you can and should argue that adjusting scores for demographics of skin color is inherently racist and demographics of % of students in poverty, % of single mother households, and % of students without college educated parents should be a much better comparison. However, the study did it by race because that’s an easy demographic factor to measure.
You are exactly what the OP
Is talking about though. God forbid something that LA and MS have done differently over the past 20 years actually work to improve the states
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:33 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I would still like to see the raw scores. Not adjusted scores or comparative scores.
It’s one thing to say black children in MS are scoring higher than ME, but how are they scoring? Are they in grade level? What is considered in grade level?
In Louisiana, to score a Basic, you only need to get 35% of questions correct. Is that considered “on grade level”?
It’s one thing to say black children in MS are scoring higher than ME, but how are they scoring? Are they in grade level? What is considered in grade level?
In Louisiana, to score a Basic, you only need to get 35% of questions correct. Is that considered “on grade level”?
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:45 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Black students in Mississippi are now significantly outperforming black Wisconsin students
Changing a flag did wonders I guess
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:46 am to CoachChappy
Raw and adjusted scores
I don’t know the answers to your questions about what is proficient or grade level, but these are the raw scores
I don’t know the answers to your questions about what is proficient or grade level, but these are the raw scores
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:48 am to TigerGman
Hilariously idiotic takes deserve to not only be called out, but rightfully ridiculed. No one here cares how offended you are that your mindless takes are causing people to point out your personal flaws.
Your own downfall is your desire to be the "smart guy in the room". In actuality, you've proven yourself to be the idiot.
Your own downfall is your desire to be the "smart guy in the room". In actuality, you've proven yourself to be the idiot.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:57 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Bumping up reading and reading comprehension is huge.
For most of k-12 and a lot of college, all of your classes come down to a written test.
If a student improves reading and reading comprehension, it’s going to help the student across all subjects.
I know that’s a simple statement, but it’s true. School is just easier for the kids who grew up reading a lot.
For most of k-12 and a lot of college, all of your classes come down to a written test.
If a student improves reading and reading comprehension, it’s going to help the student across all subjects.
I know that’s a simple statement, but it’s true. School is just easier for the kids who grew up reading a lot.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 4:58 am
Posted on 5/7/25 at 5:13 am to Sus-Scrofa
We had this thread awhile back actually and there was some good information posted in the thread regarding the scores and how they’re driven.
Overall, this is good news for MS and LA, which is pretty rare on the education front.
Overall, this is good news for MS and LA, which is pretty rare on the education front.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 5:14 am
Posted on 5/7/25 at 5:31 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:oh really? Got a just a sec to post just one?
Every point you’ve asserted as a possible reason for corruption has been negated with either facts or better counter points/questions.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 5:34 am to Swagga
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We had this thread awhile back actually and there was some good information posted in the thread regarding the scores and how they’re driven.
Wasn't the 'solution' something as simple as "in LA/MS, if you cant read during 3rd grade, you have to see a tutor.. and if you cant read at a certain level at end of year, you have to repeat" ?
And they don't bother with exceptions for race or economic status?
Posted on 5/7/25 at 5:36 am to TigerGman
quote:
oh really? Got a just a sec to post just one?
Your assertion that states are puffing scores when the states are not administering the NAEP tests.
Your conspiracy
quote:
So are you trying to say the scumbag, liberal Fed Bureaucrats infesting the Education Dept are above DEI number's juggling?
When in fact this is the exact opposite of that. Red state scores are adjusted up while Blue state scores are adjusted down
quote:
If decades of throwing away billions into the States show continued failure, they face Republican budgets cuts.
States with lower spending per student saw marked increases in adjusted scores over those with higher spending per student.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 5:40 am to jmcwhrter
I also believe (at least in MS) they went back to the Phonics based reading teaching method and away from a newer/unproven methods
Education weekly. Possibly behind paywall
Education weekly. Possibly behind paywall
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Over the past several years, more states have passed laws or implemented other policies requiring schools to use evidence-based methods for teaching young students how to read. These mandates touch on many different components of instruction, including teacher training, curriculum, and how students are identified for extra support. The legislative movement gained steam after Mississippi passed a series of laws, starting in 2013, that overhauled the state’s approach to teaching reading and preparing future reading teachers. In 2019, Mississippi saw its students’ reading scores improve on the National Assessment of Educational Progress.
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