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Black Florida teen fights back after SAT cheating accusation, Lawyer threatens to sue

Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:57 am
Posted by al_cajun
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2017
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Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:57 am
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A Florida high school honors student is fighting back after she says her SAT score was held for review following a massive increase from a test earlier this year -- an uncommon practice that only happens in a "tiny fraction" of cases
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ETS officials told Campbell she scored 1,230, which is more than 300 points higher than when she took the SAT in March, the lawyer said. SAT scores range from 400 to 1,600
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ETS told Campbell in a letter received Dec. 19 that a preliminary review showed "substantial evidence" that her score was invalid because of "substantial agreement between your answers on one or more scored sections of the test and those of other test-takers," according to Crump and a College Board spokesperson. That was among a number of factors for which her scores are under review, the board said, without elaborating. Campbell's score is being held while it's under review, a spokesperson for The College Board said. At the end of the process, depending on how the investigation turns out, her score might be released to her, but its also possible her score would be cancelled, the board said. ETS deferred to the College Board for comment, which in a statement said research shows "students who spent 20 hours on Official SAT Practice gained an average of 115 points," and that "these gains were consistent across race, income, and gender." The letter to Campbell "never references score gains as a reason for her scores being under review," a College Board spokesperson said.

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Crump threatened to potentially sue, claiming civil rights violations, if the scores are not released within the two weeks, the demand letter said.

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I wonder if she studied or cheated, 300+ points is a substantial increase.
This post was edited on 1/4/19 at 10:00 am
Posted by STLDawg
The Lou
Member since Apr 2015
4614 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:59 am to
So her first score was around 900?

Should’ve just looked for a trade school.
Posted by gjackx
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2007
16587 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:59 am to
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Florida
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139214 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:01 am to
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Ben Crump

This dude getting involved pretty much invalidates her story
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15825 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:01 am to
I read this story yesterday. What I don't get is why they hired a civil rights attorney? Is it racist to hold up scores to check for authenticity?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:02 am to
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Crump threatened to potentially sue, claiming civil rights violations, if the scores are not released within the two weeks, the demand letter said. Article


That's quite the strategy if she did in fact cheat.

Makes me lean toward believing her.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139214 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:05 am to
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What I don't get is why they hired a civil rights attorney? Is it racist to hold up scores to check for authenticity?

She's got nothing to lose. If she cheats, she just threatens to give the SAT folks a bad reputation in the hopes that they capitulate out of fear of a civil rights case against them. If she fails, oh well, she wasn't getting into a decent college anyway. It's a win-win for Crump too. He gets free publicity either way which is all his cases are about
Posted by Packer
IE, California
Member since May 2017
8699 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:06 am to
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The teenager received another letter on Oct. 31, indicating her score was still being reviewed and a decision would take up to six weeks. Once the time frame passed, Crump said Campbell called ETS multiple times.


9 weeks later and she still doesn't have the results? Not sure why she hired a civil rights lawyer, but she was smart to get a lawyer involved
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:06 am to
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Is it racist to hold up scores to check for authenticity?


Everything is racist
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15825 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:07 am to
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She's got nothing to lose. If she cheats, she just threatens to give the SAT folks a bad reputation in the hopes that they capitulate out of fear of a civil rights case against them. If she fails, oh well, she wasn't getting into a decent college anyway. It's a win-win for Crump too. He gets free publicity either way which is all his cases are about



Crump 100% is taking this case for free purely for the attention. My guess is he got wind of this story, tracked down the family and offered his services.
Posted by Cump11b
Member since Sep 2018
2026 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:08 am to
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She's got nothing to lose. If she cheats, she just threatens to give the SAT folks a bad reputation in the hopes that they capitulate out of fear of a civil rights case


With the mob in this country, even if she cheated, that will no longer matter because "racism"

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a win-win for Crump too. He gets free publicity


The old adage of any publicity is good publicity is not correct, especially in the social media age
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79631 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:08 am to
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an uncommon practice that only happens in a "tiny fraction" of cases


I don't think this is accurate.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139214 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:12 am to
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The old adage of any publicity is good publicity is not correct, especially in the social media age

Not in the race game. Crump knows how to play the race pimp game. He knows Jesse and Al won't be around for too much longer and he's positioning himself to fill the vacuum when they go.
Posted by OlGrandad
Member since Oct 2009
4694 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:20 am to
When I was in high school the principal called me to his office.

He handed me his car keys and a small poster with a name on it. He told me to go to the airport and when flight 123 arrived, pick up the man arriving.

I did and on the way back to school I asked him if he was coming to teach. He replied no he was with the College Entrance Exam Boards. When a student who made a low score followed up with a high score, red flags go up.

We get back to school, and in the office one of my best friends was there with his parents. His mom was crying and I introduced the principal and disappeared.

He took friend to a private room in the library and had him take the test again.

His high score was thrown out and his new, lower score remained. I wonder if retesting is still done today?
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
29909 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:26 am to
One of my kid's best friends scored pretty well the first time out (1250+). Parents paid nearly a thousand dollars for one of those SAT prep classes.

Took it a second time and scored over 1500. It happens. No way in hell did my kid's friend cheat. It was a pretty substantial improvement though.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:28 am to
I am pretty sure these disputes go to arbitration, not to court.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26751 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:29 am to
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So her first score was around 900?

Should’ve just looked for a trade school.


Or maybe when she took the test the first time she just had a bad day, froze up, messed up the timing and didn't finish substantial portions? It's possibly to have a low outlier on standardized tests every once in a while.

Maybe she could take it a third time and see which of the two previous scores looks like the outlier?
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42400 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:30 am to
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Took it a second time and scored over 1500. It happens


You can bump those scores up considerably if you work your arse off studying for it.

Unless they can prove something, they should release those scores.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:30 am to
Everyone is focused on the raised score, but it appears there was a statistical anomaly in the way her answered were the same as another test takers.

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"substantial agreement between your answers on one or more scored sections of the test and those of other test-takers,


I guess she can argue the other test taker cheated off of her.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
98658 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:32 am to
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Crump


This guy is living the life. Appears on TV for interviews and is an empty suit.

Ask Trayvon Martin's family all about Benjamin Crump.
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