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re: B’ham HS band director tased, arrested for not stopping band after game
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:52 am to AwesomeSauce
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:52 am to AwesomeSauce
I’m not bringing race into this at all. But I think a fair question in general is, should the police be in the business of tasing people for not following a school board’s policies? Simple yes or no question here.
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:52 am to Mo Jeaux
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How do you know it’s a law?
Law, rule, mandate, ordinance - it's all the same. He disobeyed "something" that was in effect considering postgame playing of music.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:52 am to OysterPoBoy
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Maybe they can inform us why it is illegal for a high school band to play after the game is over.
I cant believe some of yall think this is some big gotcha trump card.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:53 am to dupergreenie
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Not sure if it was in the article or someone posted after but this was in a dangerous part of Bham after a game and I am sure the police department doesn't have the resources to properly provide services if needed.
Fair point, particularly given the age of the kids in the band.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:53 am to Homesick Tiger
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Law, rule, mandate, ordinance - it's all the same
No it isn't.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:54 am to AwesomeSauce
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It's a Birmingham City Schools policy. The Band Director's employer.
Just for clarification, Minor High School isn’t a Birmingham City School it’s a Jefferson County School. So he is employed by Jefferson County Schools. However, Minor isn’t in the best part of the Birmingham metro area.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:54 am to TheFlyingTiger
Love these posts.
Shows the ignorance and racism alive and well.
"Black man no know no better me must rage against cops for him. Rawr!!!. I no read or watch video, I get opinion from black man tazed and have no ability to process what happened, cops fault. Rawr!!! Me good ally, you black board members, cops, and city officials that know the situation and the area don't know better than me and my white guilt. Rawr!!! How dare you bootlickers be okay with the community policing itself and enforcing policies that keep kids safe. Rawr!!!"
Shows the ignorance and racism alive and well.
"Black man no know no better me must rage against cops for him. Rawr!!!. I no read or watch video, I get opinion from black man tazed and have no ability to process what happened, cops fault. Rawr!!! Me good ally, you black board members, cops, and city officials that know the situation and the area don't know better than me and my white guilt. Rawr!!! How dare you bootlickers be okay with the community policing itself and enforcing policies that keep kids safe. Rawr!!!"
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:58 am to AwesomeSauce
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This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 8:01 am
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:58 am to jpbTiger
quote:He wasn't tazed for not following the policy. Your question is disingenuous from the start. Should someone who at that point was trespassing and breaking the rules of the property owner and his employer be asked to leave? Yes. If he refuses to leave for 18 minutes and then proceeds to fight against the security tasked by the property owner to remove him should he be tazed? Yes.
should the police be in the business of tasing people for not following a school board’s policies? Simple yes or no question here.
He wasn't tazed for not following policy. He was being detained and removed for that. He got tazed for fighting against his removal.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:00 am to Darth_Vader
So instead of making the right decision and stop playing, he refused to listen to the cop's demands, and he got tased...
Nice way to set an example for his students...
Dude deserved to get tased, and now he deserves to be fired.
Nice way to set an example for his students...
Dude deserved to get tased, and now he deserves to be fired.
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 8:05 am
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:05 am to TheFlyingTiger
quote:The problem is we have the whole video as well as statements from the school board posted in this thread. You didn't watch them and instead showed how unoriginal you are. 'Bootlicker' isn't some gotcha. I grew up in a community where I was the minority. I have been profiled because of my race. I have had numerous bad interactions with police. I'm not for the police here. I am for protecting the youth in these communities from those who are fine putting them in harm's way so they can make a statement.
TheFlyingTiger
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:15 am to TheFlyingTiger
What culpability do you prescribe to the band director? Or are you one of these posters who automatically blame the police in every situation regardless of the situation?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:17 am to AwesomeSauce
The band director was obviously going do things 'his way'. What I don't understand is why the cops could not have maintained order, waited for them to finish, and had the school district investigate and handle this as an HR matter. Why does EVERYTHING have to result in an immediate arrest?
In this case, sure, the BD was wrong, but it was tantamount to a parking ticket violation. The actions of the PD officers turned the whole thing into a huge mess. It could and should have been handled by cooler heads.
In this case, sure, the BD was wrong, but it was tantamount to a parking ticket violation. The actions of the PD officers turned the whole thing into a huge mess. It could and should have been handled by cooler heads.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:17 am to adamau
quote:
American Pie
Oh, but we never got the chance
'Cause the players tried to take the field
The marching band refused to yield
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:19 am to Darth_Vader
Comply or Die
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:26 am to PureBlood
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When society demonizes a profession, all the good ones get out a leave a void for the shitbags that have no business carrying a gun, much less with a badge.
Good job, society.
quote:
PureBlood
Obviously, you didnt even bother to watch the video.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:27 am to Darth_Vader
When you force a pissing contest with LEOs...you're gonna have a bad day, regardless of who's right or wrong in the moment. Cops are a bit "sensitive" when you challenge them like that.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:36 am to jpbTiger
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Geez people. He didn't get tazed because of not following the school board policies. He got tazed because he resisted when the policy was being enforced. There is a difference there.
If an employee at my work decided to show up and break rules, then was fired on the spot or at least asked to leave....but, then hung around for 20 minutes continuing to break that same rule, we'd call the cops to remove them. When they continued to refuse to leave, we don't just say "oh well, we tried, they win and can keep on". No, you physically remove them. The cops should and do have the right to do that at that point. You resist, you then deal with the consequences.
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should the police be in the business of tasing people for not following a school board’s policies
Geez people. He didn't get tazed because of not following the school board policies. He got tazed because he resisted when the policy was being enforced. There is a difference there.
If an employee at my work decided to show up and break rules, then was fired on the spot or at least asked to leave....but, then hung around for 20 minutes continuing to break that same rule, we'd call the cops to remove them. When they continued to refuse to leave, we don't just say "oh well, we tried, they win and can keep on". No, you physically remove them. The cops should and do have the right to do that at that point. You resist, you then deal with the consequences.
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:36 am to HubbaBubba
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The band director was obviously going do things 'his way'. What I don't understand is why the cops could not have maintained order, waited for them to finish, and had the school district investigate and handle this as an HR matter. Why does EVERYTHING have to result in an immediate arrest?
Why couldn't he just leave like he was asked to do? It was school board policy. Why did he break school board policy?
Who determines what rules apply and what rules dont apply?
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The actions of the PD officers turned the whole thing into a huge mess.
Who escalated what? Did the police force the band director to keep playing? Did the police block his exit and force him to remain after being asked to leave?
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:44 am to Darth_Vader
Did the other band stay?
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