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re: Being fat is choosing to live in sin
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:03 am to RandySavage
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:03 am to RandySavage
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it is that he created it and it can be no other possible way.
Yours is the straw man.
Look at your sentence above.
This is what you fail to comprehend: It's true that it can be no other possible way, but you ignore WHY it can be no other possible way. It can be no other possible way BECAUSE OF PEOPLE'S FREE WILL CHOICES. Not because God made them choose a certain way.
What you are conflating is God created vs not creating and God knowing while are people choosing.
Yes, it's true that if God hadn't created anything no one would be able to choose anything. And since He did create, He created the necessity for people to choose and the opportunity for people to make bad choices. But people still made the choices and God didn't force them to make the choices they made. By creating, you could say He forced them to choose, but He didn't force them to make the specific choices they made.
Finally, what are your philosophical/theological credentials?
I'm not making an argument from authority (my argument is typed above), but unless your credentials are equal to or better than William Lane Craig's, I'm pretty sure there's not something obvious I'm missing here.
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:08 am to MrSpock
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So is pride and wrath
Right, but so is being fat. This thread is about being fat.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:32 am to wackatimesthree
People have debated, to no consensus, various aspects and interpretations of the Bible for thousands of years now and a lot of people smarter than William Lane Craig have come to various different conclusions so spare me acting like there is any single authority based on a set of credentials.
It is simply a complete logical contradiction to say a sovereign all knowing creator created the universe with a desire for us to all come to him but complete knowledge that many will not and that we have free will. If God has a plan for something that doesn't happen how does that not call into question his sovereignty?
To me, either the Calvinist's are right (which would be hard for me to stomach) or some version of Open Theism exists where we truly have free will granted by God in an effort that allows us to choose a genuine relationship with him while risking the possibility that some/many may not.
It is simply a complete logical contradiction to say a sovereign all knowing creator created the universe with a desire for us to all come to him but complete knowledge that many will not and that we have free will. If God has a plan for something that doesn't happen how does that not call into question his sovereignty?
To me, either the Calvinist's are right (which would be hard for me to stomach) or some version of Open Theism exists where we truly have free will granted by God in an effort that allows us to choose a genuine relationship with him while risking the possibility that some/many may not.
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:10 pm to TigerChick2018
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My weight gain in my 50s was a combination of hip surgery, three knee surgeries in an 18 month period, and menopause
Not exactly a lifestyle choice for you, huh? Those are textbook extenuating circumstances.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:12 pm to Florida_Man1981
lol! Grown man still worried about what magic man in the sky had to say
This post was edited on 10/14/25 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:28 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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being obese is no different than being a drunk or druggie in my eyes.
You are very short-sighted
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:30 pm to Florida_Man1981
Just be sure not to judge the thousands of people who have serious health issues that make it seem like they don't have self control..
Granted, there are tons of weak minded, fat people, i'm just making a point
Granted, there are tons of weak minded, fat people, i'm just making a point
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:31 pm to nealnan8
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I am 5'10", 250 lbs (considered obese). I work-out 6 days per week. I am a Christian and follower of Jesus. I don't smoke and have about 1 beer per month. Besides my weight, all of my health measurables are better than average. Seems to me, there are maybe other sins that you might want to concentrate on complaining about
Jesus made beer and went 40 days without eating so which do you think is the bigger sin?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:32 pm to Florida_Man1981
We need more perfect people like yourself to judge and chastise other flawed people
TYFYS.
TYFYS.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:32 pm to SallysHuman
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I clocked you on my Sin-o-meter,
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350 in Pride.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:50 pm to TigerGman
quote:No, a “lot” of fat people don’t. Actual genetic disorders that cause obesity make up maybe 1–3% of cases tops.
Ever occur to you idiots that a lot of fat people have different genetics and therefore hormones, which make them crave food more than most thin people? But it's a lot damn harder for many people. It;;s a genetic adaptation for lean times.
Families don’t pass along “fat genes,” they pass along fat food, fat recipes, and fat habits.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:53 pm to Florida_Man1981
Whose alter is this?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:01 pm to northshorebamaman
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Ever occur to you idiots that a lot of fat people have different genetics and therefore hormones, which make them crave food more than most thin people? But it's a lot damn harder for many people. It;;s a genetic adaptation for lean times.
No, a “lot” of fat people don’t. Actual genetic disorders that cause obesity make up maybe 1–3% of cases tops.
Families don’t pass along “fat genes,” they pass along fat food, fat recipes, and fat habits.
I believe there's truth in both of these statements. I know for a fact I have to work harder than most people to lose weight, but I've also found that I can fast much longer than most ..while still working out and/running. The issue we have are the man made foods which are using chemicals and people's bodies can react differently - we've only had a few decades to acclimate.
Similar to how natives metabolized alcohol differently, I think the same idea for some people and the variety of 'foods' they are exposed to.
That said, there are no 'fat' genes, but not everyone's blood sugar will react the same way while eating the same foods. Also, the WORST thing you can do is think...oh well, Im 'designed' to be fat.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:09 pm to northshorebamaman
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Families don’t pass along “fat genes,” they pass along fat food, fat recipes, and fat habits.
Funny that there’s so much fat hate on a Louisiana-centric message board. The weight issues around the state, and the whole south, are well known because of diet, climate, food, etc.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:13 pm to northshorebamaman
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fat recipes
Link?
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:16 pm to nealnan8
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I am 5'10", 250 lbs
Brother, please get tested. It doesn't have to be this way.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:18 pm to TexasTiger08
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Funny that there’s so much fat hate on a Louisiana-centric message board. The weight issues around the state, and the whole south, are well known because of diet, climate, food, etc.
People say this about the murder rate and aids rate around here too
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:24 pm to RandySavage
As a non-believer, I feel that, yea, it’s either Calvinism or universalism. I believe our free will is little to none, and often engage the theodicies because, you know, it could be true. Just this year, I realized all my arguments aligned with Calvinism, and that many people hold this view along with church fathers throughout history. And yes, it’s hard to stomach.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:46 pm to TexasTiger08
quote:I’m not from the South and don’t live there, so save the “Louisiana board” angle. Pointing out reality isn’t hate.
Funny that there’s so much fat hate on a Louisiana-centric message board. The weight issues around the state, and the whole south, are well known because of diet, climate, food, etc.
And honestly, calling out false claims that make people indifferent to a health problem with brutal long-term consequences is closer to love than the kind of enabling mindset that pretends it’s all genetics or bad luck.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:03 pm to Florida_Man1981
After a long period of reflection on my despicable behavior in bullying and demeaning the fats, I have come to the conclusion that fat lives matter. 
This post was edited on 10/14/25 at 4:32 pm
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