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Being Accused of Ageism in 2018
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:11 am
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:11 am
I was accused of being ageist by two people who were in a cross functional meeting where we were talking about modernizing technology in our work processes and supply chain.
The offense?
"I think it's no secret that the majority of this team is more familiar with MS-DOS than Windows, much less some of the newer cloud applications. We need to change that."
Creating a Modernized workforce is now a "no, no".
I'm 33. The offended parties...65 and 70 years old.
How do you avoid these problems in the future? It's just a fact, how we do business is changing. It's becoming more mobile, less centralized. Being less skilled isn't a "protected class".
The offense?
"I think it's no secret that the majority of this team is more familiar with MS-DOS than Windows, much less some of the newer cloud applications. We need to change that."
Creating a Modernized workforce is now a "no, no".
I'm 33. The offended parties...65 and 70 years old.
How do you avoid these problems in the future? It's just a fact, how we do business is changing. It's becoming more mobile, less centralized. Being less skilled isn't a "protected class".
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:13 am to YoungManOldMan
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How do you avoid these problems in the future?
stop being a dumbass will get you off to a decent start.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:13 am to YoungManOldMan
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How do you avoid these problems in the future?
Wait for the old fricks to die.
I hate watching old people trying to use computers at work.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:14 am to YoungManOldMan
Yikes!
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:14 am to YoungManOldMan
IT is not exactly the best field to enforce strict Ageism policies. Technology evolves and ages at a extremely rapid rate.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:14 am to YoungManOldMan
Ageism is such a ridiculous claim. They are admitting that you can't teach an old dog new tricks. The fact that there is some protection is absurd. Learn what is required to do the job or be replaced by someone that can.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:15 am to YoungManOldMan
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:16 am to YoungManOldMan
If I had a dollar for every time the 50-60-70 year olds in my workplace referred to millennials in a derogatory way, I wouldn't need to work with those old fricks anymore.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:17 am to YoungManOldMan
quote:you should tell them, retirement called and they want them.
The offended parties...65 and 70 years old.
Hell people should be retired by 60.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:18 am to Klark Kent
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IT is not exactly the best field to enforce strict Ageism policies. Technology evolves and ages at a extremely rapid rate.
We're transitioning to a new ERP system, along with some other applications. We are all new to some degree, but there are some on our management team that are outright opposed to changing from an antiquated legacy system due to the fear of change.
We can't wait to modernize due to fear.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:19 am to YoungManOldMan
Most workplaces are comprised of younger and older employees. Any successful technology changes should take into account the wide range of employees and skills. Matching employees to tasks is just as important as implementing new technology.
The adaption works bests when one can utilize the experience of older employees and the technology enthusiasm of younger employees.
The adaption works bests when one can utilize the experience of older employees and the technology enthusiasm of younger employees.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:23 am to YoungManOldMan
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I was accused of being ageist
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YoungManOldMan
Ironic.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:24 am to BHM
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The adaption works bests when one can utilize the experience of older employees and the technology enthusiasm of younger employees.
You tell me how to utilize people who hate computers and like doing everything with paper. Then reconcile that with the crowd who are comfortable doing things one way, with older technology.
I'm encouraged this implementation in the Fall will cause retirements.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:25 am to BHM
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Most workplaces are comprised of younger and older employees. Any successful technology changes should take into account the wide range of employees and skills. Matching employees to tasks is just as important as implementing new technology.
The adaption works bests when one can utilize the experience of older employees and the technology enthusiasm of younger employees.
This! I think the OP's approach seems to be the biggest issue.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:26 am to BHM
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The adaption works bests when one can utilize the experience of older employees and the technology enthusiasm of younger employees.
Yes, institutional memory is very important. You have hit on the main reason for most companies' successes.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:26 am to YoungManOldMan
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the fear of change.
Less fear of change, more that they've been through several of these transitions before and recognize they're a total pain in the arse, often for limited or no benefit.
There should be an equilibrium point somewhere between "change for the sake of change" and "good enough is good enough."
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:26 am to YoungManOldMan
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I think it's no secret that the majority of this team is more familiar with MS-DOS than Windows, much less some of the newer cloud applications. We need to change that."
It would not have been hard at all to phrase this into a far less offensive statement.
You could have been just as effective, but far less offensive by being more inclusive with your statements. Compliment them on their knowledge of MS-DOS And then remark that technology is moving forward and WE ALL need to learn the new systems. Self - deprecation is very effective.
You ageist prick.
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 10:28 am
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:27 am to YoungManOldMan
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You tell me how to utilize people who hate computers and like doing everything with paper. Then reconcile that with the crowd who are comfortable doing things one way, with older technology.
Don't start with devaluing their experience and telling them they're doing everything wrong and need to change.
I get that we don't know the whole story, and maybe a softer approach was used to no avail, but the conversation you quoted was rude.
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 10:29 am
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:31 am to Slagathor
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Don't start with devaluing their experience and telling them they're doing everything wrong and need to change.
Not at all. Nobody is devaluing them but we've had some of these folks be obstinate and try to fight change. We can't be paper based any longer. It's just a fact.
We had someone lose a vendors account file last month because they decided that scanning and creating a digital file wasn't necessary because it's more efficient to just keep paper. No disaster recovery needed for that, right?
Right.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:33 am to YoungManOldMan
You see,
if you live long enough everyone will be eligible for victimhood.
if you live long enough everyone will be eligible for victimhood.
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