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re: B.C.E. and C.E. as a dating system makes absolutely no sense to me
Posted on 5/31/20 at 10:53 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 5/31/20 at 10:53 am to RollTide1987
I don’t believe in god and even I think this is stupid AF. This is something really strange to care about enough to change everything.
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Posted on 5/31/20 at 10:54 am to danilo
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What do black people have to say about it though?
Same thing your slut of a mother and daughter got to say about it
Posted on 5/31/20 at 10:57 am to Indfanfromcol
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I don’t believe in god and even I think this is stupid AF. This is something really strange to care about enough to change everything.
Except it isn’t changing very much. People are basically saying “fine, we will keep your silly, arbitrary calendar, but I’m not calling anyone “christ” or “lord”.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 10:58 am to crazy4lsu
Yes but the point is, we’re still using the exact same dating system just with a politically correct label.
FWIW, National Geographic History magazine, which I love, still surprisingly uses BC/AD. Most publications it seems have moved to BCE/CE
FWIW, National Geographic History magazine, which I love, still surprisingly uses BC/AD. Most publications it seems have moved to BCE/CE
Posted on 5/31/20 at 10:59 am to RollTide1987
Using a secular name for a standard dating system does not have any influence on your personal religious convictions.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 11:03 am to biglego
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Yes but the point is, we’re still using the exact same dating system just with a politically correct label.
And if we changed the dating system, Christians would lose their fricking minds.
But the reality is that it speaks to the Christian persecution complex that they believe it’s being “politically correct” for people to say “so, I think we are going to stop referring to your godhead as “the anointed one” and “lord”. Because, you know, we don’t believe he is either of those things. Cool?”
Posted on 5/31/20 at 11:05 am to Joshjrn
Won’t even single school’s history textbooks instantly become outdated and needing to be replaced because someone got offended by wording?
Posted on 5/31/20 at 11:06 am to biglego
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Yes but the point is, we’re still using the exact same dating system just with a politically correct label.
You think Kepler was being politically correct? The label was so well understood that it made it into encyclopedias in the beginning of the 20th century. There was mass adoption of it by Jewish historians and scholars well before we had any notion of "political correctness." People don't understand the history, and are ascribing the use to "political correctness" though the term had widespread use before this era.
It didn't come from nowhere, and there is no conspiracy to be politically correct. It was adopted for the reasons I stated, as it allowed standardization of historical conversations, especially as it related to Jewish historians, who would obviously be interested in the era, and were in conversations with Christian scholars, which was one of the main drivers of its use.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 11:11 am to biglego
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FWIW, National Geographic History magazine, which I love, still surprisingly uses BC/AD. Most publications it seems have moved to BCE/CE
Pretty sure Nat Geo decided a long time ago that they understood their audience...
This post was edited on 5/31/20 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/31/20 at 11:38 am to RollTide1987
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B.C.E. and C.E. as a dating system makes absolutely no sense to me
It hasn’t really affected my life yet. Just remember if there’s a B in it, it stands for before. If you remember that, you should be good with either.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 11:50 am to Joshjrn
Oh yes. For sure.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 11:54 am to RollTide1987
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This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 12:51 am
Posted on 5/31/20 at 11:57 am to udtiger
Didn't realize your God was so weak as to be killed off by initials.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 12:00 pm to RollTide1987
Here's the problems: Everyone agrees the BC/CE/AD system is 100% stupid because nobody enjoys the sign inversion and complications from duration algebra. I'm really enjoy studying antiquity and it's pain in arse tracking the times because of that.
The cause of the problems: The natural and obvious Plan-A time model would move the year zero further into the past, the beginning of the recording of history is an obvious good candidate. However, humanity had over half a dozen cradles of civilization, and in most of them, a different writing system, understanding of Lunar cycles caused those to develop at different times...
Thus, we'd have different year zeroes for the Carpathian, Levant, Han, Indian and other groups.
An obvious Plan-B would be consolidate the interacting clusters, like an Old-World year 0 that was sufficiently defined for all groups in contact; however it would not mesh-up neatly, at all for a bunch of annoying reasons.
I think beneath it all, we're making things difficult by trying to use Solar + Lunar calendars. Sadly, I do not have a replacement to offer.
The cause of the problems: The natural and obvious Plan-A time model would move the year zero further into the past, the beginning of the recording of history is an obvious good candidate. However, humanity had over half a dozen cradles of civilization, and in most of them, a different writing system, understanding of Lunar cycles caused those to develop at different times...
Thus, we'd have different year zeroes for the Carpathian, Levant, Han, Indian and other groups.
An obvious Plan-B would be consolidate the interacting clusters, like an Old-World year 0 that was sufficiently defined for all groups in contact; however it would not mesh-up neatly, at all for a bunch of annoying reasons.
I think beneath it all, we're making things difficult by trying to use Solar + Lunar calendars. Sadly, I do not have a replacement to offer.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 12:13 pm to Woodreaux
I have long thought that the advent of writing would be a good start. And while imperfect, the current 3400 BCE would work for me, as it’s the earliest known anywhere. We would all have to do annoying math for a generation, but it would be pretty great after that.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 12:15 pm to Woodreaux
Date it to the beginning of the Neolithic Era.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 12:30 pm to Hot Carl
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While I will always use B.C. and A.D., there’s no sense in science and academia not secularizing what they call it, seeing as how the great majority of the world does not believe in the divinity of Jesus.
Put me in the column of still using AD and BC as well. I do get the BCE / CE aspect though. Hell, most of the stupid fricks in this country think AD stands for “After Death.”
Posted on 5/31/20 at 1:38 pm to jimmy the leg
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Hell, most of the stupid fricks in this country think AD stands for “After Death.”
Yup
While I have no interest in using their calendar, I have always appreciated the nomenclature of Islam’s calendar. I’ll steal from Wikipedia to save myself the effort:
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The Islamic calendar employs the Hijri era whose epoch was established as the Islamic New Year of 622 AD/CE.[1] During that year, Muhammad and his followers migrated from Mecca to Medina and established the first Muslim community (ummah), an event commemorated as the Hijra. In the West, dates in this era are usually denoted AH (Latin: Anno Hegirae, "in the year of the Hijra") in parallel with the Christian (AD), Common (CE) and Jewish eras (AM). In Muslim countries, it is also sometimes denoted as H[2] from its Arabic form (????? ??????????, abbreviated ?). In English, years prior to the Hijra are reckoned as BH ("Before the Hijra").[3]
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While the calendar is built around a date that is religious in nature, there is nothing inherently religious about the terms. Whether you believe he’s a fraud or god’s highest prophet, it’s historical fact that Mohammad and his followers fled Mecca for Medina at a particular point in time. No lord, no prophet, etc. Just an event.
Shame the rest of Islam isn’t as unobtrusive
Posted on 5/31/20 at 1:53 pm to RollTide1987
Sort of a moot point, the scientific community quit using these terms/units when referring to events in the earth’s timeline decades ago. Events are dated X MYA, as in 25 million years ago, and years BP “before present”
“In astronomy, geology, and paleontology, mya is an acronym for 'million years ago'. This abbreviation is commonly used to show the length of time before the present or "B.P." (before AD 1950). Specifically, one mya is equal to 106 years ago.”
“In astronomy, geology, and paleontology, mya is an acronym for 'million years ago'. This abbreviation is commonly used to show the length of time before the present or "B.P." (before AD 1950). Specifically, one mya is equal to 106 years ago.”
Posted on 5/31/20 at 1:59 pm to EA6B
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Specifically, one mya is equal to 106 years ago.
I don't know where you got that from but MYA is equal to 1 x 10^6 years ago, not 106.
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