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re: Baw bought a new Corvette and later found the engine was replaced at the dealer..
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:27 pm to lsu xman
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:27 pm to lsu xman
IRA Gore vs BMW $4MM Judgement
If the dealership did not disclose the engine replacement they will lose in court - PERIOD!! Anyone suggesting otherwise knows ZERO about the car industry.
If the dealership did not disclose the engine replacement they will lose in court - PERIOD!! Anyone suggesting otherwise knows ZERO about the car industry.
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Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:28 pm to Slim Chance
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. I don't want Billy Bob at Gerry Lane swapping my engine on my 70k vette in the corner of a dealership next to the oil change booth.
You think Sven is hand building the rear view mirror or some old world craftsman is hand stitching the seats?
The guy in that shop probably has more training than union hand Jim-Bob Sisterfricker that lives in Kentucky
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:28 pm to fightin tigers
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So your belief is that one new engine is better than another new engine.
my belief is i just purchased a brand new 70k vehicle. I want it brand new from the factory. Not joe dickbag putting in the motor at the dealership. Hell no
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:33 pm to AncientTiger
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If the dealership did not disclose the engine replacement they will lose in court - PERIOD!! Anyone suggesting otherwise knows ZERO about the car industry.
Apparently that case was nearly completely thrown out. The damages were seen as excessively high, to the point of violating law (if I'm reading that right).
Actual damages look around 4k with 55k for his pain and suffering.
This post was edited on 12/23/17 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:35 pm to fightin tigers
Nope - punitive damages reduced to $2MM by the Alabama Supreme Court & paid by Tom Williams BMW.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:36 pm to fightin tigers
Car dealers are such scumbags. That's why I have no issue treating then like shite.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:39 pm to AncientTiger
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punitive damages reduced to $2MM by the Alabama Supreme Court & paid by Tom Williams BMW.
Appealed further....
Posted on 12/23/17 at 9:53 pm to fightin tigers
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The guy in that shop probably has more training
Not speaking for all techs at all dealerships, but the three corvette techs that work at the dealer close to me are first rate and are fully trained. I wouldn't think replacing an engine assembly is something that they couldn't handle. I would be surprised if they haven't done it a few times before.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:07 pm to lsu xman
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So here is the story on the car. The car came right off the delivery truck from GM and went to our service department. The car had a check engine light on from the factory. Our service department checked the car out and contacted GM. GM told us to put a new motor in it and sent it to us. Once our service department installed the new motor, then they sent the car to detail. Our detail department detailed the car and brought it to the Chevrolet showroom saying it was a car detailed for the showroom floor. So at no point did the sales department ever know about the motor being replaced. We were not trying to pull a fast one on this customer like some of you have posted.
So a brand new corvette rolls off the delivery truck needing a brand new engine. This brand new engine is shipped to the dealership to replace the other brand new engine. This has to be just a tad bit noteworthy to say the least. I can’t imagine this is a common occurrence at that dealership.
So the dealership wants people to believe that no one in the sales department was aware of this oddlity? Like this was never mentioned in places like the break room among coworkers?
This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 9:33 am
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:17 pm to fightin tigers
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Did the new engine have the serial number altered to match?
Is this even a thing anymore?
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:18 pm to jbgleason
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Who here honestly thinks a dealership tech installing an engine into an assembled car is the same as the factory putting one in during vehicle assembly?
That would be my main concern.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:21 pm to Hangit
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Yeah, that Numbers Matching thing adding value is just a myth....
Owned many hi-performance cars? A myth you say? Just plain stupid. Try and sell one with a replaced engine...
This post was edited on 12/23/17 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:22 pm to lsu xman
In Huntsville Al several years ago a BMW dealership sold a "new" car that had actually been repainted. I think the paint was damaged during shipping so they repainted it. The guy who bought it found out it had been repainted and sued them and ended up getting 4 million dollars.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:25 pm to LNCHBOX
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Is this even a thing anymore?
From what I understand all major parts have serial numbers and they are linked to the car they came off of. They dont have matching vin numbers, but the last few digits are usually found in the serial numbers.
With my jeep there are barcodes attached.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:29 pm to highcotton2
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In Huntsville Al several years ago a BMW dealership sold a "new" car that had actually been repainted. I think the paint was damaged during shipping so they repainted it. The guy who bought it found out it had been repainted and sued them and ended up getting 4 million dollars
Linked earlier in the thread. BMW appealed it to the State Supreme court who cut it to 2MM. Then BMW appealed it further to the Supreme Court who overturned it and sent it back to the State. Who then said, "How bout 50k?"
Along the way there was no finding that any law was broken and it was even noted several times that BMW had no ill will in their handling of the respray.
(Have been reading the last hour or so on it, pretty interesting case. Also, a great example of how BMW owners are wankers)
This post was edited on 12/23/17 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:35 pm to highcotton2
My current jeep was damaged sowewhere in between the factory and dealership. It wasn’t bad and selling dealership had no clue.
I discovered it when I replaced my hood. The front fender was very close in color and very hard to tell it wasnt the same color as rest of car. After I noticed it I got to looking closer at the fender. You could see how bad the paint work was. Fish eyes all in it and cracking. I took it to the dealership here locally and I course my warranty was out. The service managers had the area rep look at it and they covered it.
I discovered it when I replaced my hood. The front fender was very close in color and very hard to tell it wasnt the same color as rest of car. After I noticed it I got to looking closer at the fender. You could see how bad the paint work was. Fish eyes all in it and cracking. I took it to the dealership here locally and I course my warranty was out. The service managers had the area rep look at it and they covered it.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:36 pm to TurkeysAndBees
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A myth you say?
I was being sarcastic. Matching numbers is considered a positive selling point.
This guy was not buying a Barbie that had a leg replaced in the back room a Toys R Us. He was buying an expensive automobile that he had every reason to believe was fresh from the factory. It doesn't matter if the techs are proficient or not.
It was fraud. Every sales person knows when a high end car is supposed to arrive. Every sales manager knows when the car does arrive. They all have customers waiting to see them. Word in a dealership travels fast.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:48 pm to lsu xman
As much as dealerships deserve to be shite on, they did nothing wrong. Car did not enter the sales system until after the new motor was put in, so the sales staff had no clue.
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:51 pm to Hangit
Got it. Sorry. I missed the sarcasm... A few here have questioned. Even if it seems it should make no difference to posters saying a new vs. new engine, the second you start telling a buyer a story on a hi-performance car, especially the engine...no matter what reason... you see the buyer start to glaze over and you know you're losing him. No stories... the only way a car like that will hold its value. There are plenty of arguments why it shouldn't be so but fact remains, you're going to take about a 25% hit over a car with original block. Hi dollar sports car buyers don't like "stories", period. Especially non matching numbers. Easier just to move on and buy one without than to have to end up telling them when it's your turn to sell...
Posted on 12/23/17 at 10:58 pm to lsu xman
I have a friend that bought a brand new Altima from Eddie Tourrelle Nissan in Covington. After a week the car developed a severe pull to one side. When he brought it in the service department discovered that car had been wrecked.
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