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re: Baton Rouge’s interstate system is unacceptable for a city of its size.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 9:23 am to RougeDawg
Posted on 2/28/21 at 9:23 am to RougeDawg
quote:
Getting a loop built in Bawcomville would be easier than Baton Rouge.
Maybe not.
Monroe’s interstate 420 rejection:
quote:
Interstate 420 was to be a bypass of Monroe, Louisiana. Initially proposed in the late 1950s, this route was to have been only two lanes wide at a cost $29 million with a projected 2,500 to 3,000 ADT in 1964. The project was effectively canceled on October 12, 1964, when then Louisiana Representative Hale Boggs agreed to no longer seek funding for the route.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 9:39 am to schwartzy
100% agree. But how do you fix it? It's easy to say "just fix it". It's difficult to take a map, draw a loop or an expansion (since you have to take away private land). And it's difficult to find the funding for it. Just now, they are moving forward with expanding I10 in BR and you have black citizens complaining because they are going to add to it in the black neighborhood and that's racist according to them. Then, you have experts saying a loop would have to go so far out, it would NOT be a quicker route around Baton Rouge, so nobody would take it anyway.
I agree, it should be funded and it should be fixed. But I'm realistic enough to understand what it takes.
I always wondered what a toll road from Grosse Tete area, down to White Castle, cross the river and connect to 10 near Sorrento would be like. It would take the New Orleans traffic out of BR, but not the I12 traffic. And would it be quicker?
I agree, it should be funded and it should be fixed. But I'm realistic enough to understand what it takes.
I always wondered what a toll road from Grosse Tete area, down to White Castle, cross the river and connect to 10 near Sorrento would be like. It would take the New Orleans traffic out of BR, but not the I12 traffic. And would it be quicker?
Posted on 2/28/21 at 9:48 am to schwartzy
Kip holden tried to build a loop.
It was shot down by neighboring parishes and BR communities.
Tom Ed McHugh tried to build a bridge, but it had the same fate
It was shot down by neighboring parishes and BR communities.
Tom Ed McHugh tried to build a bridge, but it had the same fate
Posted on 2/28/21 at 11:12 am to schwartzy
Cities don’t build freeways. States do with federal help.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 11:31 am to schwartzy
I use to be like you frustrated, concerned, etc.... I'll tell you how to fix it. MOVE TO A REAL CITY! I now have
I 85
I 75
I 285
I 575
I 675
I 20
I 985
GA 400
GA 316
And many more smaller connecting highways at my disposal.
*Dust my hands problem solved. Louisiana as a whole SUCK!!
I 85
I 75
I 285
I 575
I 675
I 20
I 985
GA 400
GA 316
And many more smaller connecting highways at my disposal.
*Dust my hands problem solved. Louisiana as a whole SUCK!!
This post was edited on 2/28/21 at 11:36 am
Posted on 2/28/21 at 11:36 am to oilattorney4lsu
quote:
This was solely a product of a mass population displacement event - Katrina. If you remember traffic problems started the day after
This simply is not true. Baton Rouge had traffic problems long before 2005.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:06 pm to oilattorney4lsu
quote:
If you’re old enough to member. The interstate was more than adequate 20 years ago.
FALSE
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:11 pm to schwartzy
Wasn't the interstate the federal gov'ts method of crippling places they saw were uncooperative with racial matters or something? I seem to remember reading something like that like that. Just building a giant road through the middle of the city to destroy it or whatever.
This post was edited on 2/28/21 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:21 pm to Ramblin Wreck
quote:
In 2015 AECOM offered to build a toll loop, but the state rejected it. In the proposal they offered to finance it in exchange for the toll.
Loop
This article updated in 2019 doesn’t go into all the details.
From what I recall, that wasn't a loop. It was basically a plan to widen Airline highway to the old bridge, and the state would be on the hook for connectors, change orders, cost over-runs, etc.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:21 pm to schwartzy
Some Baws hitting on Woody today. Woody was from Baker, originally from Opelousas , and had no formal training in planning that I know of. True the state planned I-10/I-12 but the person who was responsible for its location was mayor Jack Christian. His plan was that if I-10 was located in the city then business opportunities would spring up along it. At that time (late 1950s) I-10 should have been located way south of BR near the parish line (out in the country). This would have allowed for future expansion without tearing down someones's "historic" neighborhoods.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:23 pm to thegambler
quote:
Kip holden tried to build a loop.
It was shot down by neighboring parishes and BR communities.
He did. He knew a northern bypass would be the most reasonable path but people in Central blocked it, and people in Ascension parish were upset that it didn't help their local traffic/commute issues.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:24 pm to SantaFe
Also, I-12 should be named I-10 and then part of I-10 that goes through New Orleans should have been called I-12, or something other than I-10.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:29 pm to schwartzy
Baton Rouge’s issues start with I 10 an 110.
The 10 bridge is in a bad spot. Too close to the Intercoastal Canal on the West and on the edge of Downtown on the West.
Throw in the immediate junction with I 110 and the severe turn south and it’s a big engineering problem,
Then they felt the need for ramps at Louise/Washington, Dalrymple, Perkins, Acadian, College. That’s too many ramps in a small distance to streets that really aren’t major four lane, crops through streets. Wadington/Louise, Dalrymple, Perkins aren’t major streets where the interstate crosses. Why have do many Ramos for them?
Then you have ramps further east that didn’t serve major north/south arteries. Essen., and Bluebonnet both dead ended on the north end, Essen still does. On 12, Millerville dead ends on each end. Drusilla goes nowhere.
The 10/12 split itself is an engineering problem. It’s a long ways between two big east/west corridors (Airline and College) and the College corridor is substandard. The split acts as a major damn through the heart of the parish.
All of these issues are built in issues. They have been present since day one. They are very costly to overcome.
The 10 bridge is in a bad spot. Too close to the Intercoastal Canal on the West and on the edge of Downtown on the West.
Throw in the immediate junction with I 110 and the severe turn south and it’s a big engineering problem,
Then they felt the need for ramps at Louise/Washington, Dalrymple, Perkins, Acadian, College. That’s too many ramps in a small distance to streets that really aren’t major four lane, crops through streets. Wadington/Louise, Dalrymple, Perkins aren’t major streets where the interstate crosses. Why have do many Ramos for them?
Then you have ramps further east that didn’t serve major north/south arteries. Essen., and Bluebonnet both dead ended on the north end, Essen still does. On 12, Millerville dead ends on each end. Drusilla goes nowhere.
The 10/12 split itself is an engineering problem. It’s a long ways between two big east/west corridors (Airline and College) and the College corridor is substandard. The split acts as a major damn through the heart of the parish.
All of these issues are built in issues. They have been present since day one. They are very costly to overcome.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:31 pm to Tom Servo
quote:After only about 40+ years the OP steps up and finally calls the powers that be out!!!
I'm glad someone finally had the guts to say it.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:34 pm to oilattorney4lsu
I was at LSU prior to Katrina and it was a nightmare then. You are wrong, sir.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:46 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
Like Austin
It’s hard to believe that once upon a time both cities were just about the same size. Both state capitals and college towns.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 1:21 pm to BeepNode
quote:
Also, I-12 should be named I-10 and then part of I-10 that goes through New Orleans should have been called I-12, or something other than I-10.
Yeh that can be confusing if you don't know your way around once you are in New Orleans.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 1:41 pm to schwartzy
Maybe Houston can give one its three loops to Baton Rouge...
Posted on 2/28/21 at 1:48 pm to tigersfan1989
quote:
That’s why you don’t live in BR baw
Isn’t not living in BR part of the problem?
Posted on 2/28/21 at 2:36 pm to schwartzy
U people from mobile and Baton Rouge act like you live in some megalopolis city. If you have ever traveled around in the world you would learn that every major city has major traffic problems. The traffic issues in your little cities are kindergarten compared to larger cities
OMG the traffic is so horrible in Baton Rouge after LSU game!! OMG let’s spend hundreds of millions to fix it for a fricking even that happens 5 times/year OMG traffic is just terrible because there is a 2 car pile up a mile up the road. Omg omg omg we have to do something about this!!
Stop bitching about it
Mobile wanting like a billion dollar bridge is fricking retarded
OMG the traffic is so horrible in Baton Rouge after LSU game!! OMG let’s spend hundreds of millions to fix it for a fricking even that happens 5 times/year OMG traffic is just terrible because there is a 2 car pile up a mile up the road. Omg omg omg we have to do something about this!!
Stop bitching about it
Mobile wanting like a billion dollar bridge is fricking retarded
This post was edited on 2/28/21 at 2:42 pm
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