re: axios - Remote work may not be working any more

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No they aren't

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yes, they are. we've been looking for a while.

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Yes, training is a problem with full remote, but it can be fixed easily.

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We've been doing it for ten years now. It's dumb to fly someone in from our west coast offices here to the east coast just to train on our various software and timekeeping platforms.

If the group is big enough, they'll fly the trainers out to that particular office, but that happens maybe a couple times a year.

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I also think remote work makes it harder to get new employees up to speed.

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This is 100% true.

Most prefer to work remotely (including me), but it's harder to develop talent in a fully remote environment.

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You can rent conference centers a week at a time to do orientation for new hires and not be locked into long expensive commercial real estate leases.

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It's really more of the learning our environment by looking over someone's shoulder that's more difficult. New employees don't seem to ask as many questions via Teams

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software and timekeeping platforms

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I wish that's all we had to deal with. We service a specific industry across their entire business: production controls, A/R, delivery monitoring, KPI measurements, etc, etc, etc. It takes years to bring someone up to speed in the office, fully immersed for 8 hrs a day. I honestly don't see how we are going to get them trained.

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You can rent conference centers a week at a time to do orientation for new hires and not be locked into long expensive commercial real estate leases.

Yes, training is a problem with full remote, but it can be fixed easily.

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Takes much longer than a week or two to train up new hires for our business. They need hands on experience, and a lot of people struggle picking up new skills remotely. It's not a problem that can be fixed easily in a fully remote environment, to be frank.

We either have to accept that it takes much longer to train people up or start pulling them back on site more often.

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Millennials and Zoomers want to sit home with minimal productivity? No way!!!

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Ah yes. Nothing screams "productivity" like waking up, getting dressed, and driving to physical location where you do the same thing that could be accomplished in your underwear. And let's not even get started on lunch breaks and water cooler talk. Man! Serious production there!

Any manager worth even a little frick can identify minimal productivity in the actual work people put out. You don't need them on site to see it.

Do they have $800k townhouses too?

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Most of the bigger employers never sufficiently cut office expenses during the recession. They are waiting for the right time to push employees back into co-location, where they are more productive. Already starting in some markets.

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I am not seeing signs of the same thing but that could be that we are in different industries.

People I know are being hired away at 100% out of state remote with 30-50% pay increase. As another poster stated the talent is going to get gobbled up, any company that thinks cutting employees and talent is the long term solution probably won’t survive long term. Adapt or die

ETA I’m talking about corp jobs

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I also think remote work makes it harder to get new employees up to speed. We've hired several over the past few years and I feel like it has taken them twice as long to become decent contributors. Most of the long time employees seem to do fine with it.

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I'm in management at a small company that is 100% remote, I've never met anyone I work with in person.

I met the owner once in person, after I'd been here about 2 months.

I feel like I learned everything fine remotely but training other people definitely seems harder to me.

I guess it depends on the person and their learning style.