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re: Atlanta Airport: Why are flights so concentrated there?

Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:48 am to
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:48 am to
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This. I used to fly KLM into Memphis and it was a great airport to connect to.

Memphis is international?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24485 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:05 pm to
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I have been criticizing them for years about this. I guess it finally caught up to them.



LOL, so its worked for years and then stopped working for 10 hours and now the system should be completely changed?
Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
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11727 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:06 pm to
I've lived here since 2000 and this is the first time in 18 years the airport has been shut down.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 12:07 pm
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:07 pm to
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I've lived here since 2000 and this is the firs time in 18 years the airport has been shite down.


Wasn't it shut down last week for an ice storm?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24485 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:08 pm to
LOL at anyone discussing why Atlanta is not a perfect HUB city for the South. Geographically it is almost perfect, not to mention its the South's biggest city so that makes even more sense.

As far as Atlanta not having more international flights, it shouldn't. The only flights it has are Delta and Delta partner flights internationally basically. Why would an airline with a hub closer to the eastern seaboard fly internationally out of Atl? Its further away, so they shouldn't.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:08 pm to
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However in the south, they only have Atlanta.



Is there another city in the South worthy of a major airline hub?

Spoiler: No, there isn't.
Posted by Cromulent
Down the Bayou
Member since Oct 2016
3449 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:12 pm to
Go pull up Flight Aware for Delta. Atlanta is the busiest airport in the world and it’s mostly Delta flights. Minneapolis and Detroit pale in comparison to Atlanta. Here is the link:
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Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
Member since Feb 2015
11727 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:13 pm to
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Wasn't it shut down last week for an ice storm?


No. It snowed a week and a half ago, but the airport didn't shut down. There were delays bc other regional airports had delays backing up into Atlanta.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24485 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:13 pm to
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Is there another city in the South worthy of a major airline hub?

Spoiler: No, there isn't.


To be fair, Charlotte is a HUB too. So is DFW (I know not really the south).

I've never understood this complaint. I live on the Gulf Coast, these 3 hubs (CLT, DFW, and ATL) serve me great. If I go west, I usually go through DFW. North or Europe I use Charlotte or ATL, and south I use ATL usually. It works well.

Not sure why one half day issue causes people to freak out.
Posted by Bruco
Charlotte, NC
Member since Aug 2016
3034 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:19 pm to
There is about $500 million in expansion/upgrade spending underway at Charlotte and about another billion planned, including another runway.

Until that runway is done (if it’s done) no way CLT can handle significant additional volume. It’s bursting at the seams already.

I like it as my home airport though. The level of passengers that originate at CLT is very low, the vast majority are connections, so parking and security are usually a breeze.

Though the fact that it has non stop construction scheduled through at least 2022 is a tad annoying
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:26 pm to
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Is there another city in the South worthy of a major airline hub?


American Airlines has hubs in Charlotte, Miami, Dallas, and Washington-Reagan. They have closed hub operations in Nashville.

Southwest Airlines has hubs/focus cities in Houston, Dallas, St. Louis, and Tampa.

United Airlines has a hub in Houston.

Northwest Airlines operated a hub in Memphis for a long time until they were bought out by Delta

Delta has actually consolidated hub operations in Cincinnati, Memphis, and Dallas into Atlanta for efficiency gains.

Only United is more vulnerable to events like this with their sole southern hub being Houston - which is actually more prone to natural disasters than Atlanta.
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
21022 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:27 pm to
I use Delta quite a bit on my transpacific flights and always connect through Detroit. Life is so much easier that way. I was rerouted through Atlanta last month and quickly reminded why I hate that place.

Delta was wise to ditch Memphis. That is my home airport and I hate that place. It hasn’t changed in 30 years. They are finally consolidating everything into one terminal and refurbishing. It will never be more than a connector airport.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:31 pm to
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Atlanta is the busiest airport in the world and it’s mostly Delta flights. Minneapolis and Detroit pale in comparison to Atlanta. Here is the link:


Atlanta has about twice the daily departures as DTW, MSP, DFW, CLT, ORD, EWR, or IAH. Delta is clearly much more dependent on Atlanta than their competitors are at any given US hub. It's more like a super hub

I guess I could argue that FedEx would be equally as fricked if MEM took a direct hit from a tornado or something.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:39 pm to
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I use Delta quite a bit on my transpacific flights and always connect through Detroit.


DTW is an excellent airport. Delta is definitely very competitive in the mid west.

Unfortunately a lot of southern cities have limited (and sometimes zero) Delta service to DTW. The airline's preference is to trade system-wide resilience for efficiency gains of one super hub. They end up feeding as many passengers into Atlanta as they possibly can.

That's their decision and it reflects their priority. If I were a frequent flier based out of a southern airport (other than MSY, MEM, or ATL), I'd probably go with American Airlines or Southwest before Delta just to increase my options and avoid Atlanta. Even on good days, I dislike connecting in Atlanta. I think the concourses are too narrow, too congested, and too loud. I always seem to get stuck behind slow walkers or passengers lining up into the concourse.

As much as I appreciate having a large hub in the southern US, I honest hate ATL. I wish MEM, DTW, and MSY were mini-hubs for Delta. That would provide passengers in the south with more connecting options, increase Delta's quality of service, and reduce their dependency on ATL.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 12:42 pm
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
30083 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:39 pm to
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LAX and JFK have far more international airlines too. ATL has maybe a dozen. JFK and LAX have 3x that.


Let the record reflect that Delta has approximately 75 international destinations in 50 countries.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

Memphis is international?


Memphis is currently FedEx's super hub. It was a major hub for Northwest Airlines. Delta kept it as a hub for about 5 years after they acquired Northwest. I think they ran nonstops to Amsterdam and Paris until 2013 or 2014.

Memphis currently only has international passenger service to Toronto and Cancun.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
41393 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:36 pm to
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Memphis is currently FedEx's super hub. It was a major hub for Northwest Airlines. Delta kept it as a hub for about 5 years after they acquired Northwest. I think they ran nonstops to Amsterdam and Paris until 2013 or 2014.



KLM definitely ran non stops from Memphis to Amsterdam. This was my regular route for about 3 years. Loved flying KLM and Schiphol airport. Also entering the US at Memphis airport was great. Never a long wait to clear customs. That was one of the best trans-Atlantic flights IMO.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 1:39 pm
Posted by Fishwater
Carcosa
Member since Aug 2010
6077 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:52 pm to
Could Nashville KBNA handle traffic as a hub?

(I've never flown to or through KBNA.)


Birmingham isn't built to be a hub. While it is an auxiliary or alternate for KATL, as it has a 12,000 ft runway, it's only other runway is a 7,100 ft North South runway that crosses the main 12,000 ft runway, and also has horrible approaches. (Remember the UPS plane that crashed at night landing on runway 18 due to low terrain.

Birmingham would have to do major neighborhood demolishing and terrain leveling to build new runways.


Interestingly, Huntsville aiport, which handles 747 international cargo flights, has a master plan in place to double the airport runways, to four and could handle the traffic if Delta needed to move to another hub.
Posted by Atttaboy
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2014
356 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 2:06 pm to
Damn, I was there last night trying to get back to ATL! I was part of that zoo.
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
15168 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:41 pm to
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If Atlanta decides to open up second a north-side airport, for instance, Delta loses its stranglehold on the Atlanta market and they may threaten to leave. Atlanta doesn't want that because a lot of our businesses are here in small part due to the connectivity of the city due to being Delta's hub.



Delta would never cease ATL being its largest hub. If a second airport opened, Delta would simply price the competitors out of the market by offering their own metal on same routes. AA did this with everyone that tried DAL for years. Southwest was the only carrier with roots established in that market.
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