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re: ATL - Toddler Left in Car
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:52 am to Salmon
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:52 am to Salmon
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so your routine changed frequently?
No. For several years it was one way, for several after that it was another. In the meantime, there were tons and tons of potential times when I could have simply gotten out and forgotten them. I never once came close. But then, again, maybe I'm not wired to potentially do that. In nearly 30 years of driving I never once got out of the car with it still running or left my keys in.
I see your point, though. I just don't agree with it. Even when that routine was altered, if the alteration involved one of the boys, they moved to #1 on the list.
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:53 am to GRTiger
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Again, I am not comparing this to my child in the literal sense. And I know some of you didn't want science brought up in here, but that shite happens, and it's crazy.
Most of the time there were multiple events that occurred which resulted in the Child's death just as you described in your plane story. It's not the person who drops the kid off at 7:45 every morning at daycare that's leaving the kid in the car.
It's the parent who is subbing on dropoff duty who is in a rental car because of an accident and is coming to daycare from a different way because they needed to mail out the response letter to the IRS on their 2011 taxes.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:54 am to Jcorye1
There's a difference between knowing the consequences of certain actions and knowing all the responsibilities involved in parenting, for instance. It's a full time and exhausting job, and you can have an idea about that, but until you are living that every second of your life, you can't fully know.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:58 am to Golfer
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It's the parent who is subbing on dropoff duty who is in a rental car because of an accident and is coming to daycare from a different way because they needed to mail out the response letter to the IRS on their 2011 taxes.
I really do hear this...I do.
And if the child was lying down in the back unable to be seen it would resonate with me more. But car seats today are gigantic. For infants we're talking about a base seat which you've likely had to strap down and a carrier that you have to drop and snap into place. Unless someone else did that part, I'd like to think that would sort of remind you something is different today. For an older front facing child, assuming you're using the mirror, you can literally see his face even if he's asleep and quiet.
If they were in the trunk, I'd really agree with you. I would. I've forgotten to bring clothes to the cleaners, or drop off stuff at Goodwill I had in the car because they were out of sight and mind. But my child was never remotely like that...mainly because they were always visible in one way or another.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:01 am to sicboy
Then how do we function as a society? You can never truly understand something until you do it? It is a stupid argument overflowing with logical fallacies.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:02 am to Jcorye1
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You can never truly understand something until you do it?
ummm yeah
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:03 am to Jcorye1
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Then how do we function as a society? You can never truly understand something until you do it? It is a stupid argument overflowing with logical fallacies.
I frick my wife's sister once a week.
None of you motherfrickers can judge me until you frick your sister in law too.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:03 am to CBLSU316
Don't want to read.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:04 am to Jcorye1
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:05 am to Jcorye1
Your understanding changes when you experience something. You are also more able to have empathy. These are not really hard concepts.
I don't agree that you are unable to judge or comment on something you've not experienced, it's just sometimes your judgments are so far off from those who have experienced it, that you get pushback from that group, and probably legitimately.
I can say heroin is bad for you and rape is bad for society, but I can't really tell you what it feels like to be high on heroin, or explain the emotions that occur as a rapist or someone being raped.
I don't agree that you are unable to judge or comment on something you've not experienced, it's just sometimes your judgments are so far off from those who have experienced it, that you get pushback from that group, and probably legitimately.
I can say heroin is bad for you and rape is bad for society, but I can't really tell you what it feels like to be high on heroin, or explain the emotions that occur as a rapist or someone being raped.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:10 am to Pettifogger
I would drop off my daughter at daycare most mornings but once in a while my wife would take her. On the days my wife would take her I would end up driving towards daycare with no child because it was part of the routine. I cant imagine the hell these parents must be going through. I feel sick just reading that article
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:12 am to Jcorye1
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This argument makes me want to punt kittens. I've never done heroin and then raped a woman, does that mean I cannot say they should be in jail?
Ok. You win. I'm going to judge by reading your post that you're young and stupid.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:13 am to Golfer
I love all the super parents that come out when this topic comes up.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:16 am to GeauxTigerTM
You are so correct. It astounds me that people can find an excuse for this. Can it happen to anyone? Sure....but it doesn't. It happens a few times a year over a course of hundreds of millions of commutes with children in tow.
Like you, I am a pretty seasoned parent. I have four kids and my watchful eye and ear is always...always, tuned to their safety and protection. I just don't comprehend how the mind can completely shut off the fact that your baby is in your presence. For a minute or few....sure but not any longer than that.
Any one reading who doesn't have children yet please don't worry about this happening to you. It is a one in probably 300 million commutes kind of odds. Your child will never, ever be out of your mind more than an hour at a time unless you are asleep. Heck, you can be sitting in the most important corporate meeting of the year and you will think about the baby. The child will be in your thoughts all day, everyday.
This dude just wasn't wired right if his baby wasn't in his thoughts at least once an hour.
Like you, I am a pretty seasoned parent. I have four kids and my watchful eye and ear is always...always, tuned to their safety and protection. I just don't comprehend how the mind can completely shut off the fact that your baby is in your presence. For a minute or few....sure but not any longer than that.
Any one reading who doesn't have children yet please don't worry about this happening to you. It is a one in probably 300 million commutes kind of odds. Your child will never, ever be out of your mind more than an hour at a time unless you are asleep. Heck, you can be sitting in the most important corporate meeting of the year and you will think about the baby. The child will be in your thoughts all day, everyday.
This dude just wasn't wired right if his baby wasn't in his thoughts at least once an hour.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:19 am to Dick Leverage
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Your child will never, ever be out of your mind more than an hour at a time unless you are asleep. Heck, you can be sitting in the most important corporate meeting of the year and you will think about the baby. The child will be in your thoughts all day, everyday.
How do you know his child didn't enter his mind throughout the day? But his mind told him that he dropped the child off at daycare?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:20 am to Dick Leverage
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This dude just wasn't wired right if his baby wasn't in his thoughts at least once an hour
The vast majority think the kid is happily playing at daycare.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:20 am to Dick Leverage
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This dude just wasn't wired right if his baby wasn't in his thoughts at least once an hour.
If this is the conclusion you come to, maybe it is you that isn't wired correctly.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:22 am to The Third Leg
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find me ten other stories like this where a fricking baby was left in a car erroneously for eight hours.
Dude, are you serious? There are countless instances where this has occurred.
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It happens that way somewhere in the United States 15 to 25 times a year, parceled out through the spring, summer and early fall. The season is almost upon us.
That is a quote from the linked article above.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:24 am to supadave3
So it's pretty rare?
Fifteen to twenty five per annum is not countless, by the way.
Again, there are three hundred million people here, many with children.
Fifteen to twenty five per annum is not countless, by the way.
Again, there are three hundred million people here, many with children.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:27 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:34 am to Pettifogger
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negligence
Define.
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