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re: Astrophysicist Dr. Willie Soon explains the abiotic origins of hydrocarbons.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:54 pm to lsugradman
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:54 pm to lsugradman
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And just so you know most petroleum is generated from the decay of microscopic organisms (plankton, algae etc) not from dinosaurs.
Common sense. Everybody knows dinosaurs did not live thousands of feet beneath the ocean floor.
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:56 pm to lsugradman
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Most are still within the hydrocarbon generation
Now do suns and stars.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 1:57 pm to Fun Bunch
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Aren't the methane lakes on Titan due to volcanic eruptions?
Yes and not only methane. Ethane, propane and polycyclic hydrocarbons.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:00 pm to GumboPot
how do you we know that the gases found on Mars and Titan were not from a biological source?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:03 pm to winkchance
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Still not made from fossils.
Does anyone actually believe oil, coal and natural gas comes from fossils or are you being purposely pedantic?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:03 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Been saying for a decade that crude oil is not recycled dinosaurs.
This. Carbon is the basis of all life. Oil comes from a long process of decaying carbon matter over millenia. That’s why we can make oil and fuel from plants.
Most oil comes from ancient marine organisms such as plants, algae, plankton. That’s why so much oil exists from Texas to the Dakotas. It used to all be underwater
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:07 pm to Dadren
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Does anyone actually believe oil, coal and natural gas comes from fossils or are you being purposely pedantic
Odd melt.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:08 pm to Salmon
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how do you we know that the gases found on Mars and Titan were not from a biological source?
My guess is that they were not because there is no evidence of organic life or prior life on these planets and moons. I'm open to the idea but I believe the idea of life on these planets and moons is highly unlikely.
Anyway the idea that carbon/hydrocarbons are unique to this planet due to life seems kind of myopic and ignores the fact that elemental carbon is formed from the stars (iron being the last element in a dying star). With the right combination of pressure, temperature and time elemental carbon combining with hydrogen to form hydrocarbons abiotically does not seem that far fetched.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:11 pm to Dadren
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Does anyone actually believe oil, coal and natural gas comes from fossils or are you being purposely pedantic?
Yes, there is one in this very thread.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:11 pm to winkchance
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Odd melt.
Honest question actually. I’m terrible at recognizing sarcasm on the internet.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:14 pm to deltaland
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deltaland
I don't believe you will find anyone arguing against biotic sources of hydrocarbons. It makes sense. However there seem to be many biotic only proponents who are closed to the idea of abiotic formation of hydrocarbons.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:15 pm to deltaland
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This. Carbon is the basis of all life. Oil comes from a long process of decaying carbon matter over millenia. That’s why we can make oil and fuel from plants.
Most oil comes from ancient marine organisms such as plants, algae, plankton. That’s why so much oil exists from Texas to the Dakotas. It used to all be underwater
i want one of the flat earthers to explain what the Cambrian explosion is and why no life existed in the geologic record before this time
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:18 pm to GumboPot
They have already admitted to abiotic production of methane gases in different locations around the planet. At some point they'll have to admit it is "possible" for other hydrocarbons, too. We can't just get academia dogma to change overnight.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:20 pm to lsugradman
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Man i just learned today that scientists have been to Saturn and found oil.
Somewhere Dick Cheney is planning Saturn’s regime change
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:22 pm to GumboPot
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Anyway the idea that carbon/hydrocarbons are unique to this planet due to life seems kind of myopic and ignores the fact that elemental carbon is formed from the stars
Is someone suggesting that?
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With the right combination of pressure, temperature and time elemental carbon combining with hydrogen to form hydrocarbons abiotically does not seem that far fetched.
Right, which explains the hydrocarbons on Titan for example. But that there is the possibility of abiotic hydrocarbons on other celestial objects doesn't necessarily inform the processes on Earth.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:22 pm to notsince98
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They have already admitted to abiotic production of methane gases in different locations around the planet. At some point they'll have to admit it is "possible" for other hydrocarbons, too.
Maybe that what was used to get life on earth started...abiotic sources of hydrocarbons.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:22 pm to notsince98
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They have already admitted to abiotic production of methane gases in different locations around the planet. At some point they'll have to admit it is "possible" for other hydrocarbons, too. We can't just get academia dogma to change overnight.
Why don't you lay out the process for us, smart guy? Go into as much detail as you like.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:23 pm to GumboPot
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Maybe that what was used to get life on earth started...abiotic sources of hydrocarbons.
You need a few other things though. Well, a lot more than a few.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:24 pm to GumboPot
Dr. Willie Soon?
He related to Sum Ting Wong, Wi Too Low, Ho Lee Fuk, Bang Ding Ow?
I'm down with this thesis. "Fossil fuels" implies scarcity. What if it's some byproduct of the red hot magma core we are all floating around on?
He related to Sum Ting Wong, Wi Too Low, Ho Lee Fuk, Bang Ding Ow?
I'm down with this thesis. "Fossil fuels" implies scarcity. What if it's some byproduct of the red hot magma core we are all floating around on?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:24 pm to GumboPot
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However there seem to be many biotic only proponents who are closed to the idea of abiotic formation of hydrocarbons.
I don't think that is true at all. I think most people recognize the possibility of a small % of abiotic hydrocarbons in the right conditions, but that the overwhelming majority of our hydrocarbons comes from biological sources.
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