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re: Ascension parish president proposes year-long moratorium on new developments
Posted on 5/18/21 at 4:42 pm to doubleb
Posted on 5/18/21 at 4:42 pm to doubleb
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crud
crap
This. When your slope is 16 feet over a 30 mile distance, you have to maintain shite. Also, all of these developers claiming their detention ponds mitigate the flooding that people say is going to happen when they build are long gone within a day of the last house going up, and those things need to be cleaned out to proper depth every year to be effective with how little margin of error there is.
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 4:46 pm to TDsngumbo
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Just allow all the flash flooding backup caused by development to find its home in the rivers and bayous that they naturally drain into and half or more of the flash flooding issues in this parish would be solved. Enforce all the litter laws with mandatory fines for first time offenders, have crews whose only job is to clean litter and ditches do just that every day all day across the parish, and redig all the ditches and replace culverts so that the water can flow. The problem is that the water doesn't have a way to drain into its natural drainage canals anymore and the natural drainage canals can't drain properly because of litter build up and improper sediment management.
Exactly. They get so far away from the basics. Then come up with drastic solutions like halting all development and raising new taxes.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 4:48 pm to Domeskeller
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Pretty sure Aaron Lawler will vote against this.
As will Corey Orgeron. He is 100% "but the lawyers will sue" BS. He's on the take with the rest of 'em.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 4:51 pm to SaintsTiger
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Just allow all the flash flooding backup caused by development to find its home in the rivers and bayous that they naturally drain into and half or more of the flash flooding issues in this parish would be solved. Enforce all the litter laws with mandatory fines for first time offenders, have crews whose only job is to clean litter and ditches do just that every day all day across the parish, and redig all the ditches and replace culverts so that the water can flow. The problem is that the water doesn't have a way to drain into its natural drainage canals anymore and the natural drainage canals can't drain properly because of litter build up and improper sediment management.
Exactly. They get so far away from the basics. Then come up with drastic solutions like halting all development and raising new taxes.
The way I see it is development is only part of the problem but because everyone in the parish bitches and complains about traffic brought on by all the development, it's the politically easy punching bag so it's easy to call for a year-long moratorium on new development because in the average simple-minded voter's mind, he's "doing something". In reality, he's only playing politics and hoping that the average voter in the parish stays simple-minded and doesn't begin to think for themselves because if they do, they'd quickly realize that development is not the whole problem and halting development (revenue-generation for the parish) is only a partial solution that will end up not doing a damn thing unless you help the water find its natural home. There's no need to take the entire problem out on developers who are just trying to make a living (and who can blame them?). Sure, the development is part of the problem the solution doesn't lie in solely halting it and not complementing that action with other action to ensure the water finds its home at the same time.
Why he and the rest of the parish government can't see that, I'll never know. This issue and this issue alone always makes my blood boil and genuinely makes me consider running for parish president whenever I think about it.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 5/18/21 at 4:54 pm to TDsngumbo
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Let's not pretend the drainage issues in this parish is a one-sided problem and blame development when it's a combination of development and clogged drainage systems.
The problem with drainage in Ascension is allowing the natural watershed to be filled in rural parts of the parish. Once you fill in all natural places for water to collect in a high rain events, you force that water to seek other places.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 4:54 pm to TDsngumbo
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Why he and the rest of the parish government can't see that, I'll never know. This issue and this issue alone always makes my blood boil and genuinely makes me consider running for parish president whenever I think about it.
Me too, though it's been a while since I spent much time in Ascension. Grew up going to Spanish Lake and Alligator Bayou hunting and fishing until they dried out the basin for development. What a damn waste of wildlife and, now, property greedy policies like that caused.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:16 pm to TDsngumbo
When they allow new developments to be built 2-8' above everything around it, its a damn problem.
Some of the "retention ponds" on these developments have floors that are higher in elevation than the neighbors yards.
Some of the "retention ponds" on these developments have floors that are higher in elevation than the neighbors yards.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:22 pm to shawnlsu
frick that dude
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:23 pm to shawnlsu
quote:the bottom of the pond is above the neighborhood?
Some of the "retention ponds" on these developments have floors that are higher in elevation than the neighbors yards.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:25 pm to TDsngumbo
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There's no need to take the entire problem out on developers who are just trying to make a living
Which developers are just out there making a living? They are some of the wealthiest people in Baton Rouge. DSLD was BR Business Reports company of the year.
I am all about people making money but let’s not pretend these guys are just out there making ends meet…awl shucks.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:35 pm to shawnlsu
Yep. Go look at one of the earlier large developments like Seven Oaks then look at somewhere like that new Grand Hollow or whatever right off the interstate on 73.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:38 pm to JBrignac
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The guy that changes his vote to ‘Yes’ for huge subdivision in support of a moratorium
Didn't that guy support that giant new community off 22 near Houmas House with ONE entrance?
Posted on 5/18/21 at 5:47 pm to lsu13lsu
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Which developers are just out there making a living? They are some of the wealthiest people in Baton Rouge. DSLD was BR Business Reports company of the year.
This! These asswhipes could gaf as long as they make the money!! They grease the palms of all the zoning committee members hands, dig a pond to raise the land level up just enough to pass, and then build shot houses for max money.
Sad thing is all the “elected” officials see is more tax money to figure out what to do with.
The natural watersheds are gone, and no amount of man made controls will work. The down river Livingston, and ascension lack of control with zoning has fricked everything north of there.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 6:11 pm to fightin tigers
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Yep. Go look at one of the earlier large developments like Seven Oaks then look at somewhere like that new Grand Hollow or whatever right off the interstate on 73.
Ascension has never been very good at planning, but there are flaws in your example.
First, those two developments are two miles apart. Not really direct neighbors, and there is a slight gradient in that area anyways - one neighborhood is naturally going to be higher than the other even if the required benchmark hadn't changed over time. And most likely, the newer neighborhood is built to a higher finished floor elevation requirement than older neighborhoods. They have to ensure newer developments are not prone to flooding. You should applaud that.
Second, the elevation of the retention pond relative to downstream neighborhoods is irrelevant if things are functioning properly. The goal of the retention pond is to hold at least 80% of runoff for the first hour of a flash flood before overflowing into the drainage system that needs to actively drain runoff from roads and older neighborhoods.
Unfortunately, the second point is moot (or mute to some of you) if you get a biblical flood with 12-20 inches of rain in a half day. No city can really prepare for that. There will be flooding. That's not to say that there aren't improvements to the drainage system that can be made....but there just never was any historic requirement that any neighborhood, canal, catch basin, street, or pump handle that much runoff in such a short amount of time.
I don't live in Ascension, so the determination if the proposed moratorium is overkill isn't really mine to make. But I don't see value in it unless the parish is taking that time to clear and improve the drainage in a way they don't normally do.
TLDR: Ascension has some planning and maintenance problems that need to be addressed, but it is highly likely that a perfect, well planned system would still have been overwhelmed by the amount of rain you guys saw in that area yesterday.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 6:48 pm to titmouse
When the Hollows of Dutchtown (off 73 north of 621) went to the planning board meeting to have the preliminary plot approved, several residents along 621 voiced their concerns about drainage and stated that water didn't flow the way that the maps showed. The board gave preliminary approval pending review of the drainage maps. I never saw the subdivision come up on any further meeting agendas.
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 6:53 pm to goofball
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biblical flood with 12-20 inches of rain in a half day
So how many of these along a short span of the gulf coast in the last 5 years? Not so much a 100 year event, or even a 50 year one. It happens frequently when you put it on the timescale of property development and ownership. So, this token metric of 80% of runoff for a 1 hour event is pointless. Build and maintain better if you want to live your entire lives in a flat muddy place.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:08 pm to Schmelly
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Is there a website that has details of all the waterways and where they flow to? I know there’s the GIS site but I don’t see anything that shows “this flows into this. Then this”
The link in this Slate article to an online tool from USGS might be what you’re looking for,
Source was one of the more useful pieces of info I ever found on Reddit
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:11 pm to fightin tigers
I live in Prairie Oaks, the older subdivision next to Dutchtown Hollows. The backyards of the homes in our neighborhood are at least 3' lower than the new ones in D.H. Most of those people tbat live on that side had to build their 8' fences up to 12' to keep their new neighbors from looking down into the back of their homes.
It ludicrous what they are allowing. I just want to know exactly how much the council is getting paid under the table to rubber stamp this crap.
It ludicrous what they are allowing. I just want to know exactly how much the council is getting paid under the table to rubber stamp this crap.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:25 pm to titmouse
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Ascension parish president proposes year-long moratorium on new developments
About damn time.
The commercial real estate developers in this parish have been running buck wild for years and years without any real pushback to get them to slow their roll.
They’re ruining our infrastructure for roads, sewage and flooding now. It’s a big fricking problem now.
We’re not asking nicely this time. And it should be longer than a year and other parishes needs to do this as well.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 7:27 pm to shawnlsu
I couldn't remember all the neighborhoods that back up to each other there, but yeah, they are just one upping each other in height. All that land held water to one degree or a other, but no one wants to get flooded so they just build up higher since they are newer.
Thought there was a law/regulation passed a few years ago that was going to stop that. No one wants to build the house higher (piers) without building up the land though.
Thought there was a law/regulation passed a few years ago that was going to stop that. No one wants to build the house higher (piers) without building up the land though.
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