re: Arguably the greatest speech in American history was delivered 160 years ago today...

Squeeky speaking pres abe.

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So you still don't understand the difference between secession, insurrection, and war

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This isn’t the point you seem to think it is.

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What "insurrection" did ole "honest" Abe have to fight? Who was trying to overthrow the federal government?

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Wait, do you think an insurrection is only if there is an attempt to overthrow a government? That’s not the technical definition bud.

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He was a fricking tyrant that saw to the death of probably close to 1,000,000 countrymen for what?

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The Southern slave owning class had around 3 million slaves, and the fact that the institution of slavery is mentioned over and over by the people seceding doesn’t seem to move your moral compass, but you need to realize that these slavers also played a part in the total death toll. Why you continually absolve them, continually pretend that the real evil was the big bad government who the slavers themselves suggested was going to enact federal overreach by ending slavery, and continually hand-wave away the behavior of the Southern population is actually really telling and really strengthens the perception that you just want the excuse to treat minorities badly in your utopia.

You don’t care about the death toll, what was important to you is some anachronistic version of Federal overreach you want to keep applying while pretending there is a meaningful difference between a rebellion and an insurrection.

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Keeping the "Union" together? What a crock of shite.

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Nah it womps arse. Love it or leave it bitch.

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Also a tyrant for occupying the State of Maryland to keep them from self determination.

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Hey what was the tally of Maryland Legislature's session on secession?

That's only what the politicians said because they had to argue for the money to get the rich planters in leadership to push into secession. The people were fighting for freedom. They didn't own slaves but if they didn't fight the invaders, everything would be stolen, women raped, house burned, and everyone left to starve.

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Nah it womps arse. Love it or leave it bitch.

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Now see, we tried to leave it and Lincoln decided to march an army down and attack. We've given Hamas more diplomacy than Lincoln gave the Southern states.

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Now see, we tried to leave it and Lincoln decided to march an army down and attack.

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That’s not the exact order of events.

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We've given Hamas more diplomacy than Lincoln gave the Southern states.

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Uh, South Carolina fired upon property it ceded to the Federal government 25 years earlier. If they wanted diplomacy, then they should have pursued that. What did they do instead?

Look, I get it. You want to own slaves so you have an excuse to act out all the evil desires you have in your heart. If you don’t like America as it is, you should leave the country. You aren’t going to get your slaver utopia cuck.

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leave it bitch.

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Make me, you coward.

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Why you continually absolve them, continually pretend that the real evil was the big bad government

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Slavery was wrong and it was carried out on BOTH sides. Both Union and Confederacy States owned slaves up to and through the CW. And history showed the Federal Gov was exactly that, bad. Lincoln and his emancipation proclamation was only for the Confederate States, why not for the Union States as well?

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you just want the excuse to treat minorities badly in your utopia.

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This is so fricking weak and pathetic. Tell me how great life is for the majority of minorities in your idea of America since the Fed Gov started the war on poverty and crushed the black communities.

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in·sur·rec·tion
/?ins?'rekSH(?)n/
noun
a violent uprising against an authority or government.

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He should’ve gone to a theatre earlier……

Meh. At the time, the states had the right to leave.

There reasons for leaving can be debated into perpetuity, but they had every right to leave.

A union that is not voluntary is bondage.

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Slavery was wrong and it was carried out on BOTH sides. Both Union and Confederacy States owned slaves up to and through the CW.

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And one side decided to leave the union specifically because they felt the institution was threatened. We know this because they say so, explicitly.

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And history showed the Federal Gov was exactly that, bad.

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Do you really think the Confederate government was better?

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Lincoln and his emancipation proclamation was only for the Confederate States, why not for the Union States as well?

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Because he was using it as a political tool. With politicians, you should expect politics. And it was incredibly effective, as it completely isolated the potential for the CSA to seek aid elsewhere.

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Tell me how great life is for the majority of minorities in your idea of America since the Fed Gov started the war on poverty and crushed the black communities.

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It’s been fantastic. The number of Black Americans who have a high school degree increased from 27% in 1964 to 88% in 2021. By pretty much every metric, things have improved for Black Americans in a statistical sense. All the while, there has been a precipitous drop in crime, as despite what you insist, the reason for the destruction of the families in the African-American community was the War on Drugs, not The Great Society. In global and historical terms, the integration of African-Americans into American society has been a resounding success, despite their treatment by Southern states. That required the Federal government, which in this case is miles better than the governments of those Southern states and really undermines your claim that the Federal government is bad. If the Federal government is/was bad, then the governments of those Southern states were far worse.

And of course, we should mention the century of terror that former Confederate states enacted on their African-American populations, with Confederate veterans heavily involved in paramilitary activities that included murders, lynchings, intimidation, and every thing else under the sun. That by itself was so duplicitous that it violated the spirit of reconciliation offered by Lincoln, and thus is the basis for the claim that those veterans should have been treated more harshly. They took advantage of Lincoln’s kindness and showed who they really were.

It took Federal involvement to even begin to curb the South’s insane racism. So let me suggest that my view that you want racial apartheid is based on what actually occurred in the Post-War South, and not your fanciful version of it. And again, you quoting the definition of insurrection doesn’t aid your point. Because from the view point of the Federal government, it was an insurrection. There isn’t some objective party that determines what is an insurrection and rebellion and what is war. It is determined by the actors involved. How are you this dense?

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how many insults has crazy4lsu lobbed in the last 4-5 pages?

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Brother, you’ve never been able to respond substantively about anything at all. All you seem to care about is the fact that I insult people who I think are stupid. Get over it.