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re: Are transgender thoughts a mental disorder of some sort?
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:56 am to cokebottleag
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:56 am to cokebottleag
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There is no way this conclusion can be reached by the arguments listed above.
Oh I completely agree. I am in no way trying to say I have the answer here. Or that reddit does. I was just giving some perspective because I saw the post on the shitter just this morning.
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Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:59 am to JBeam
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So you think transgenders can be fixed with long term therapy? How is this any different from the decades we tried to "fixed" homosexuals with intense therapy?
Not every mental disorder or physical deformity or disease has a cure. Sometimes we just have to live with it if the effects aren't too great. Homosexuality is a mental disorder that fits that definition. It is a disorder (being attracted tot he same sex), but the effects themselves are not physically harmful, and there is no real cure. Therefore we don't inflict harm on them.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:59 am to cas4t
You are basically describing a developmental abnormality. In other words, if the quoted part of your post were true, then the person would have gender identity issues not because 'they were born a boy/girl' but because of a discrete scientific explanation. They have an illness or disorder or whatever you want to call it.
Should we just consider this 'normal' and allow these people to undergo gender reassignment surgery?
Should we just consider this 'normal' and allow these people to undergo gender reassignment surgery?
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:59 am to Henry Jones Jr
I've been reading the psychological points online and while I get it, I still think the answer is in fetal development. I think plenty of trannies become trannies based on things that happen in their life, but we are hearing more and more that these people have felt this way before they reach 6 years old. And plenty of them have never been molested or had any sort of traumatic event that could lead to them identifying as the opposite sex. And for those people, I believe the answer is somewhere in fetal development.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:01 am to cokebottleag
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cokebottleag
Yea, what he said
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:02 am to BigEdLSU
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Mainstream society would have you believe hyper and active kids are "wrong" and should be medicated, while they encourage genital mutilation in kids.
Wut?
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:03 am to pleading the fifth
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You are basically describing a developmental abnormality. In other words, if the quoted part of your post were true, then the person would have gender identity issues not because 'they were born a boy/girl' but because of a discrete scientific explanation. They have an illness or disorder or whatever you want to call it.
Yes, in a nut shell. Nice summary.
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Should we just consider this 'normal' and allow these people to undergo gender reassignment surgery?
A much more complex question, and I don't know how I feel about it. If it is an abnormality from fetal development, I think we'd be viewed as oppressive for not allowing them to do so. But on the same token, I also know there are plenty of transsexuals who can not afford the surgery. Should those people be allowed in women's locker rooms? Probably not. A line has to be drawn. I don't know. That's a tough question.
This post was edited on 6/2/15 at 11:04 am
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:03 am to cas4t
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but we are hearing more and more that these people have felt this way before they reach 6 years old.
I don't doubt there are some people that can remember certain things that way back but typically I call bullshite on people that say "I knew I was a girl when I was 4 years old." or "I knew I was gay at x years old"
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:12 am to Henry Jones Jr
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I don't doubt there are some people that can remember certain things that way back but typically I call bullshite on people that say "I knew I was a girl when I was 4 years old." or "I knew I was gay at x years old"
I don't mean to be a dick but this is a clear cut case of not grasping something because you don't understand it. I don't claim to either, but let's let the science call bullshite.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:14 am to cas4t
I agree if the science is there, I won't dispute it. I'm just saying that people that say they knew they were a girl at that young of an age are lying. They may have discovered it when they were older but I think they say they knew when they were that young because it for some reason makes them more credible in the public eye.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:15 am to Henry Jones Jr
quote:why?
or "I knew I was gay at x years old"
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:16 am to Henry Jones Jr
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I'm just saying that people that say they knew they were a girl at that young of an age are lying.
I mean, this is just an opinion. You have no way of knowing this.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:16 am to Henry Jones Jr
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I don't doubt there are some people that can remember certain things that way back but typically I call bull shite on people that say "I knew I was a girl when I was 4 years old." or "I knew I was gay at x years old"
You've probably never seen it first hand. My 8 year old son's best friend is a girl who very much wants to be a boy. She dresses like a boy, wears her hair like a boy, plays sports with the boys. They currently both have crush on the same girl in their class. She's been that way since at least kindergarten. She has a typically feminine older sister.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:19 am to cokebottleag
Well said.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:20 am to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:21 am to dualed
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IMO, if you think homosexuality is a mental disorder you're a moron. The good ole boys here will probably disagree
Big words from a poster who is seems to be lumping homosexuality in with transgenderism and gender identify disorder....which is widely considered to be a psychological issue at least in some circles.
There is a difference.
This post was edited on 6/2/15 at 11:34 am
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:25 am to Moustache
Elite level attention whoring is a mental illness.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:27 am to member12
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.which is widely considered to be a psychological issue.
There is a terribly low amount of research done from a biological standpoint. I've linked a pretty good article above that touches on this and wiki has a ton of material on the subject from a biological standpoint.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:28 am to Moustache
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quote: IMO, if you think homosexuality is a mental disorder you're a moron. The good ole boys here will probably disagree How is it not? It is disordered by our very own nature. Care to make a logical argument instead of an emotional one?
"Hysteria" is a mental disorder. If you read old medical text though, hysteria has changed. It's root is "hyster" it was only a disorder of women and thought to be of the uterus. It has evolved to any emotional outburst. Homosexuality may be a disorder but over time it has evolved. It is an abnormality now more so than a disorder.
Transgender is a whole other matter. If anything they are gay and trying to rationalize it. Taking being "closeted" to an extreme level.
Also, as with all medicine, follow the dollars. How much Does it cost a person from initial evaluation to gender SURGERY?
I capitalize surgery because frick BRUCE JENNER. until his twig and berries get lopped off I want him to go away. He is a transvestite to the extreme. Just taking hormones for vanitys sake only.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:30 am to Moustache
Yes. It's a mental disorder.
With that said, if some man wants their dick cut off or wants to dress like a woman and be called "Stacy", who cares?
With that said, if some man wants their dick cut off or wants to dress like a woman and be called "Stacy", who cares?
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