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re: Are there any confirmed negative impacts of data centers?
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:26 pm to lsu777
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:26 pm to lsu777
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bro if your engineers are not running the checks on the calcs thats on them
The old engineers think AI is infallible. Some of them use it for literally everything now.
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as far as the emails....are yall forced to use it for that? if so thats weird.
No. But I am forced to sit on "AI Innovation" training weekly. And its literally "how are you training your AI to do you job for you this week?"
And everyone just giddily tells corporate how AI is doing their job for them.
The "efficiencies" are coming. And it will all be our own fault.
I hate it. I don't care if I'm the horse and buggy guy. This is the hill I'm dying on.
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Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:26 pm to lsu777
You have already conceded the principle, so now we are just arguing over whether residents are allowed to ask questions before a massive industrial project is dropped next door.
“Buy the land instead” is not a serious answer. Communities have zoning boards, utility commissions, environmental reviews, tax policy, and public hearings precisely because neighboring property owners are affected by developments they do not personally own.
And the local costs are not hypothetical just because you have not measured them yet. Large power demand, water usage, infrastructure expansion, noise, tax incentives, and limited permanent employment are all obvious areas of potential cost. The developer should have to quantify them before approval, not residents afterward.
I agree that people who move beside an existing facility and then complain are often ridiculous. But that is not the same as questioning a new facility before it is built.
Calling residents stupid NIMBYs does not prove the project is a good deal. It just saves the developer from having to prove that it is. I"m still waiting for an answer on why it is a good deal for the community?
“Buy the land instead” is not a serious answer. Communities have zoning boards, utility commissions, environmental reviews, tax policy, and public hearings precisely because neighboring property owners are affected by developments they do not personally own.
And the local costs are not hypothetical just because you have not measured them yet. Large power demand, water usage, infrastructure expansion, noise, tax incentives, and limited permanent employment are all obvious areas of potential cost. The developer should have to quantify them before approval, not residents afterward.
I agree that people who move beside an existing facility and then complain are often ridiculous. But that is not the same as questioning a new facility before it is built.
Calling residents stupid NIMBYs does not prove the project is a good deal. It just saves the developer from having to prove that it is. I"m still waiting for an answer on why it is a good deal for the community?
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:28 pm to lsu777
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if the local community doesnt want it built...buy the land instead.
In theory, yes. But the gap between elites/corporations and middle class is wider than ever. If you have a shitty neighbor in your subdivision, you should just buy their house, right?
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:30 pm to TexasTiger08
You could move. Or zone data centers out.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:32 pm to fightin tigers
So your contribution is basically: either leave, or do the thing you are criticizing them for considering.
Very edgy. Very useful.
Very edgy. Very useful.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:33 pm to Salmon
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The old engineers think AI is infallible. Some of them use it for literally everything now.
well thats dumb. I use it but i use it more as a checks and balance and for things like...give me page numbers in this reference where this is talked about and that saves me from having to go and search the whole damn book to pull what i am looking for. AI is only as smart as the information you give it. if you load all the engineering manuals in the world into that particular model and it has everything indexed for quick recall...it can help a lot but it makes lots and lots of mistakes. 100% anything but infallible
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No. But I am forced to sit on "AI Innovation" training weekly. And its literally "how are you training your AI to do you job for you this week?"
And everyone just giddily tells corporate how AI is doing their job for them.
The "efficiencies" are coming. And it will all be our own fault.
I dont see it that away, at least on the downstream side, I see it more as a way to lighten the workload to a currently over whelmed workforce by making them more effecient and for it to identify trends and help optimize things. I think you are upstream so may be different
we are actually very limited on what we can currently do with it and I double check everything i use it for. I will say...it can help a lot when trying to format reports and inspection stuff. nothing pisses me off more than MS Word not working correctly
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I hate it. I don't care if I'm the horse and buggy guy. This is the hill I'm dying on.
i felt that away too until i really learned how to use and harness it to automate some of my daily task to make my life much easier.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:33 pm to Salmon
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The "efficiencies" are coming. And it will all be our own fault.
Exactly. Hell yes AI can make you more efficient at work. And once you hit a point, company X will realize that they too can be more efficient by getting rid of employees.
I think it’s a real concern to wonder if mass AI implementation causes hundreds of thousands to lose jobs and have no prospects. Then what?
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:34 pm to Klark Kent
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So your contribution is basically: either leave, or do the thing you are criticizing them for considering
I haven't criticized anyone for rezoning data centers out.
Welcome to do what they want to do living there.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:35 pm to lsu777
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i felt that away too until i really learned how to use and harness it to automate some of my daily task to make my life much easier.
This is fine. I just used to write my annual goals
Most of my hate is centered around how our government is going to abuse the frick out of it for surveillance and resource extraction.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:36 pm to fightin tigers
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You could move. Or zone data centers out.
I live in an established neighborhood that’s a bit older. The only way I deal with noise or light pollution is if they bulldoze thousands of middle class homes. My concern is a water crisis that our local officials can’t figure out, and are unwilling to work together to address. The absolute last thing we need is a multi acre facility using up more resources. I don’t give a shite if it’s closed loop. You know damn well they will have those toilets that sound like a jet engine.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:36 pm to fightin tigers
Right, so after contributing “move” to a discussion about residents objecting to a new development, you now agree they are perfectly entitled to use local zoning to stop it.
Next time you can save everyone the edgy drive by and just say, “Yes, the community should decide whether the project is worth the local cost.”
Next time you can save everyone the edgy drive by and just say, “Yes, the community should decide whether the project is worth the local cost.”
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:36 pm to Klark Kent
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You have already conceded the principle, so now we are just arguing over whether residents are allowed to ask questions before a massive industrial project is dropped next door.
“Buy the land instead” is not a serious answer. Communities have zoning boards, utility commissions, environmental reviews, tax policy, and public hearings precisely because neighboring property owners are affected by developments they do not personally own.
And the local costs are not hypothetical just because you have not measured them yet. Large power demand, water usage, infrastructure expansion, noise, tax incentives, and limited permanent employment are all obvious areas of potential cost. The developer should have to quantify them before approval, not residents afterward.
thats not what i see happening. its usually once everything is approved and the residents are inconvenienced just a little that they are freaking out.
but at some point the rural areas that these are going to be built are going to be told too fricking bad.
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Calling residents stupid NIMBYs does not prove the project is a good deal. It just saves the developer from having to prove that it is. I"m still waiting for an answer on why it is a good deal for the community?
i havent examined numbers on any particular one so i dunno if it is for the local community or not. but all we hear on this board is bitching about the one in raceland. constant bitching even after the huge teachers pay raise etc. constant bitching and constant NIMBY type people
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:38 pm to TexasTiger08
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Exactly. Hell yes AI can make you more efficient at work. And once you hit a point, company X will realize that they too can be more efficient by getting rid of employees.
I think it’s a real concern to wonder if mass AI implementation causes hundreds of thousands to lose jobs and have no prospects. Then what?
elon has talked about this. i think its more likely the US will absorb more work from the rest of the world.
but there are other industries. learn a trade baby
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:41 pm to Salmon
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Most of my hate is centered around how our government is going to abuse the frick out of it for surveillance and resource extraction.
we agree 100% there. but im kind of over it at this point, we lost, period. 9/11 put the bullet through the head and cell phones pulled the plug.
CIA and NSA has had the eyes of god for a while now where they could use pretty much every cell phone camera in the world and facial rec software to pretty much find any1 anywhere imo.
and yea dont you dare lobby for AI to go away where I have to start writing my own goals or creating my own checklist again
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:42 pm to lsu777
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but there are other industries. learn a trade baby
tell this to a guy that has put in 30 years in the same line of work. When AI gets advanced enough, trades will no longer be exempt. 
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:43 pm to lsu777
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dont see it that away, at least on the downstream side, I see it more as a way to lighten the workload to a currently over whelmed workforce by making them more effecient and for it to identify trends and help optimize things.
For everyone 1 person this applies to, there are going to be 10 who are just prompt monkeys who just push whatever the LLM spits out at them up the chain and then the actually experienced and intelligent people have to parse through and verify what the AI spit out because the underlings don't have an underlying understanding of the material.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:46 pm to lsu777
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but there are other industries. learn a trade baby
AI is going to decimate the trades shortly as well.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:49 pm to TexasTiger08
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My concern is a water crisis that our local officials can’t figure out, and are unwilling to work together to address
The water usage of these facilities is greatly overexaggerated but the facilities lack of clarification doesn't help them.
Also municipal water is probably leaking 20x the water the facilities are even rumored to use.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:52 pm to Klark Kent
Well yeah, if the community decides they want a project and you don't want to be near it.
Move.
Or just whine on the internet and kick your feet.
Move.
Or just whine on the internet and kick your feet.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 12:53 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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For everyone 1 person this applies to, there are going to be 10 who are just prompt monkeys who just push whatever the LLM spits out at them up the chain and then the actually experienced and intelligent people have to parse through and verify what the AI spit out because the underlings don't have an underlying understanding of the material.
so pretty much like now
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