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re: Are some of the reports of Mexican cartels joining ISIS true?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:23 am to Pilot Tiger
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:23 am to Pilot Tiger
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often have casual conversations on various national securtiy issues.
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:27 am to Darth_Vader
quote:I'm claiming to have a fully functional brain. If you think that's me claiming to be smarter than everyone, I dont know what that says about you
Still claiming to be smarter than every everyone else here
quote:2 are actually close friends, the other is a friend of a friend.
And are your "friends" in the FBI & CIA based in Mexico
One works in counter-terrorism and has dealt with narcos as well, specifically targeting financial aspects. Obviously, none of these guys tell me specific stuff, it more or less validates what most people already think and know
nothing ground breaking
but it hurts my head people like you and alex jones spout this nonsense
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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so you believe that the cartels will risk their very existence and american distribution network for a very small, very short-term revenue stream?
No, what I believe is this is a far more complicated situation than many here want to believe. I'm not certain there is some "alliance" in the works between the Cartels and ISIS. But on the other hand I see there is evidence that it's POSSIBLE and we'd be foolish to just discount that it could be happening.
The bottom line of this is that immigration politics has muddied the waters of this subject. You've got conservatives in politics and the media sounding the alarm bells, which could be valid. They want to secure the border to prevent ISIS from using it to get to us. But on the other hand you've got leftists and liberals in politics and the media saying there's nothing to see here and accusing the right of playing politics. But they are playing the same game themselves. They want to keep the border open to allow the flow if illegal immigrants to continue. That's what lays a the bottom of this whole issue.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:28 am to Spaceman Spiff
it's not even a brag
you live and work in DC, you will meet people and you will become friends with people who work in various intelligence agencies
It's more or less just me saying, Im not living under a rock
you live and work in DC, you will meet people and you will become friends with people who work in various intelligence agencies
It's more or less just me saying, Im not living under a rock
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:30 am to Pilot Tiger
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Pilot Tiger
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:32 am to Darth_Vader
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But on the other hand I see there is evidence that it's POSSIBLE and we'd be foolish to just discount that it could be happening.
it's certainly possible, but that would require the cartel taking a HUGE risk with little benefit or devolving into a completely irrational actor
those are really your only 2 options. both are possible, but HIGHLY improbable
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:32 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:36 am to Pilot Tiger
I have a friend who's an FBI agent too.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's certainly possible, but that would require the cartel taking a HUGE risk with little benefit or devolving into a completely irrational actor
those are really your only 2 options. both are possible, but HIGHLY improbable
Why is it such a huge risk for the cartels? ISIS is not planning on taking over Mexico. Nor are they planning on taking of the US, despite absurd claims of raising their flag over the white house one day. All ISIS wants over here is to attack the US. It's possible that the Cartels see in ISIS a possible huge customer with deep pockets.
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 9:37 am
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:37 am to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:37 am to Darth_Vader
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All ISIS wants over here is to attack the US. It's possible that the Cartels see in ISIS a possible huge customer with deep pockets.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:38 am to Pilot Tiger
Middle Easterners have been coming across our US/Mexico border for years. Is the debate here only regarding cartels helping or not? Because the fact that they're already crossing the border is not really a question.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:39 am to Darth_Vader
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It's possible that the Cartels see in ISIS a possible huge customer with deep pockets.
This. And its also possible that the cartels are seeing this as an opportunity to divert attention. Like I said, its possible but since we are not part of said organization we don't know shite. There are some butthurt mothas in here that don't like differing opinions.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:40 am to Darth_Vader
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Why is it such a huge risk for the cartels? ISIS is not planning on taking over Mexico. No are they planning on taking of the US, despite absurd claims of raising their flag over the white house one day. All ISIS wants over here is to attack the US. It's possible that the Cartels see in ISIS a possible huge customer with deep pockets.
I believe SFP has addressed this.
This is a huge risk to the cartel because the ensuing attention that ISIS would draw to the border would shut down their supply lines.
Does ISIS have lots of money? Yes, but it's a quick buck that would ruin their long term revenue stream. It's a simple risk assessment.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:41 am to Spaceman Spiff
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And its also possible that the cartels are seeing this as an opportunity to divert attention.
there are so many reasons why this makes no sense, I dont even know where to begin
seriously, yall are like alex jones with this nonsense
1 the cartels DO NOT want the attention of the US military
2 the cartels DO NOT want the US economy to be destablized
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:41 am to Pilot Tiger
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Pilot Tiger
Funny, eh? OK.
Are you laughing because you think that ISIS does not want to attack the US on our own soil?
Or are you laughing because you think they want to take over the US?
You have to believe one of these two things if you think what I said about ISIS and their intentions is so funny. So which is it?
As for the Cartels view of ISIS, why is it impossible for them to see ISIS as a potential customer for their human trafficking services? You are aware that the cartels are in business of more than smuggling drugs, right? Surely your well connected friends at the CIA and FBI have informed you of this, right?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:43 am to upgrayedd
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No, it's in AZ which is where some of the most desolate and remote areas of the border are. The exact spot where I suspect they would cross if this whole scenario ever played out (which is highly unlikely).
This ISIS/cartel scenario pretty much comes straight from Tom Clancy's Executive Orders. It's been more than a decade since I read the book, but I think they crossed through Las Cruces, New Mexico. It's a great book and a lot of it seems eerily familiar right now.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:43 am to Pilot Tiger
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there are so many reasons why this makes no sense, I dont even know where to begin
seriously, yall are like alex jones with this nonsense
1 the cartels DO NOT want the attention of the US military
2 the cartels DO NOT want the US economy to be destablized
At least you finally posted one true statement.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:43 am to Darth_Vader
quote:I'm sure they do
ISIS does not want to attack the US on our own soil?
quote:would they want to? i dunno, maybe? probably?
you think they want to take over the US
quote:I'm well aware, thanks
You are aware that the cartels are in business of more than smuggling drugs, right?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:43 am to Darth_Vader
quote:i said it earlier numbnuts
At least you finally posted one true statement.
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