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Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:33 am to Jim Rockford
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From the Scots-irish come the American, and particularly Southern American, sense of egalitarianism, disdain for aristocracy, and tendency for combativeness
The Logan and McCrae clans say hi.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:23 am to BigOrangeBri
Scots-irish are the white people that self-righteous left wing kook white people volunteer to give up shite for the sake of affirmative action.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:50 am to BigOrangeBri
Ulster Scots came over in waves from about 1680-1715. They were lowland Scots who had populated the Ulster region in Northern Ireland during the Plantation period of the late 1500s to the early 1600s when there was a push for a Protestant foothold there. They enjoyed prosperity until around the mid 1600s when they began to suffer religious persecution at the hands of the Catholic crown. They were given a brief respite during the reign on William who was more favorable to their plight but were even worse off after he does and Queen Anne took the throne. Quite a few of my GFs came over during this period.
My surname GF arrived in 1650 though after being deported here as an indentured servent after being taken as a POW at the Battle of Dunbar. He was a Catholic Scot from the Argyll region who fought on the side of the Crown against Cromwell.
But yeah, there is a difference between Ulster Scots and purely Irish people's who came over.
My surname GF arrived in 1650 though after being deported here as an indentured servent after being taken as a POW at the Battle of Dunbar. He was a Catholic Scot from the Argyll region who fought on the side of the Crown against Cromwell.
But yeah, there is a difference between Ulster Scots and purely Irish people's who came over.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:09 am to Dalosaqy
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Logan and McCrae
Is it funny that the first to people to pop into my mind were Bennie Logan and Danny McCray? Two pure scots Irish.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:35 am to Peazey
Why does it seem like a good amount of people want to be something else. For example, it seems like a lot of Irish and Italian descendants lead with I'm Italian or I'm Irish instead of I'm American. To me, it should mean you were actually born in that country and understand the culture, history, and supported that country. Just because your great great grandparents are from another place doesn't mean you are. My ancestry is Cherokee, Irish, and French. I just consider myself a good ole American.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:40 am to BigOrangeBri
I prefer the term Celtic-American.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:45 am to Peazey
The Scots-Irish were protestant Scots settled in Northern Ireland (Ulster Scots), many of whom immigrated to America in the 1700 and early 1800's. They traveled down the Great Wagon Road and many settled the southern back country and Appalachia. If you have family with long ties to the American south, and they were not coastal planters or African slaves or white indentured servants, they were likely Scots-Irish immigrants.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:13 am to Kafka
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Trivia: when the Irish and Germans came to the US, they both brought something that was fairly rare here
The name "Michael"
Never heard that, but one of my Irish ancestors who came over as a baby in the early 1800's was named Michael.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:24 am to BigOrangeBri
I was thinking of moonshine when reading this
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:28 am to crispyUGA
quote:They were also on of the leading groups to push west across the mountains and settle the frontier on that side of the Appalachians (Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, etc.)
traveled down the Great Wagon Road and many settled the southern back country and Appalachia.
They say that this shared kinship is why during the Civil War you would find the two armies mixing in the evenings. While they fought during the day, they would often institute cease-fires and move between camps, trading, playing music together, etc. It happened in the eastern theater as well, but not nearly as often.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:32 am to crispyUGA
Scots-Irish brought the clans to Appalachia and their stills. After the revolution, they were the ones that wouldn't/couldn't pay the taxes on grain & whiskey. Washington raised an army to enforce the federal taxes, and a lot of distilleries went even further into the hills.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:34 am to AbuTheMonkey
quote:I do as well.
I have the blood and family of both
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:26 am to Peazey
When England conquered Ireland, they sent over Scots to run the plantations. See, the Scots were rebellious, and often fought England, so by evicting the disloyal ones and shipping them across the way to Ireland, it effectively perminantly tamed Scotland. The British used religion to keep the two groups divided and fighting. The Scots were primarily Presbyterian while the Irish were Catholic. The Scots primarily lived in Northern Ireland. However, when the potato famine hit, despite the fact that Ireland produced enough food to feed its population 3 times over, the English starved both the Scotch-Irish and Irish the same, causing waves of them to immigrate to America.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:27 am to BigOrangeBri
Whole bunch of white privilege in this thread.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:41 am to Peazey
quote:why would anyone want to admit that?
Everyone wants to say that they are irish
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:56 am to BigOrangeBri
We are too busy working to worry about it.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:02 am to crispyUGA
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If you have family with long ties to the American south, and they were not coastal planters or African slaves or white indentured servants, they were likely Scots-Irish immigrants.
Kind of interesting to think that I'm probably at least part scots-Irish and didn't know it then. Both sides of my family immigrated to America from 1650-1750 and have spent most of that time in the Southeast. I know my actual family name is Norman-English, but when you go back that far I'm really just some kind of mixed southern protestant American. I know my mom's side claims some sort of Irish ancestry. Maybe this is what they are talking about. After this much time it all kind of starts to lose meaning.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:11 am to AjaxFury
Scots-Irish are usually WASPs, and protestant.
Irish are usually Catholic.
Irish are usually Catholic.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:55 am to Napoleon
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Scots-Irish are usually WASPs, and protestant.
Pedantic, but not technically WASP. They're closer in ethnicity to the Irish, Bretons, and Cornish than they are Anglo/Saxon/Jute/Norman. All three groups have a significant amount of Viking, though. Probably splitting hairs at this point with as much admixture as there has been, but Scots-Irish are not WASPs in the truest sense of the term.
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