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re: Are people brainwashed with electric cars?

Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:51 pm to
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:51 pm to
I’ve said it before electric motors are much more efficient. But we can’t all switch at once. And the electricity is still coming from places the Green Party doesn’t agree with.
Posted by ThatTahoeOverThere
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:52 pm to
Its modern day ribbon wearing and the irony of it all is its WORSE for the environment.
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
Member since Sep 2007
22281 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:56 pm to
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I love my old Jeep


Give me a CJ, a full socket set (including the 10mm) and a few screwdrivers.
Posted by TDcline
American Gardens building 11th flor
Member since Aug 2015
9503 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:13 pm to
You're def not getting your dick sucked in a Camry bro
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 2:31 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173651 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:16 pm to
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no dealerships

If you think this is a negative you're terribly stupid
Posted by wheelr
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:17 pm to
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No, I buy them.

Anything I said in this thread that you disagree with?


I don't care enough to read it.

Just noticed you always heavily defending EVs.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23304 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:25 pm to
Ok well I’ve yet to see anything which supports most of your claims regarding rare earth availability and many experts disagree with your assertion.
Forbes - US Needs 10x more Rare Earth Metals

I’m also completely at a loss as to how you plan to accommodate the energy production you are so dismissive of when the feds won’t allow new coal or gas plants to come online and have made nuclear impossible due to regs.

Just replacing the powerplants the democrats wants to shutter to meet emissions goals is next to impossible given existing technology and economic factors. You just can’t toss up a bunch of windmills and solar panels (which also require rare earth metals) and expect to hit the capacity needed.

And again I’ll go back to the question of WHY the feds need to force this on everyone to begin with.

Let the market sort it out.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 2:26 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:28 pm to
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I don't care enough to read it.

Just noticed you always heavily defending EVs.

Thanks for your input
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18033 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:45 pm to
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the feds won’t allow new coal or gas plants to come online

Coal has be declining for a long time and not just because of the feds. The economics of a new coal plant are difficult at best.

Regarding gas plants, are you talking about natural gas?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:52 pm to
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Ok well I’ve yet to see anything which supports most of your claims regarding rare earth availability and many experts disagree with your assertion.
Forbes - US Needs 10x more Rare Earth Metals
That article is about domestic production and reducing our reliance on China, which I agree that we should do. Nothing in there says that material cannot be found, mined, or processed, even just domestically.
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I’m also completely at a loss as to how you plan to accommodate the energy production you are so dismissive of when the feds won’t allow new coal or gas plants to come online and have made nuclear impossible due to regs.
I thought I was clear that no additional generation capacity is strictly required. We have enough generation capacity today to support 100% EV fleet, but that assumes the majority of charging will happen at night (which is currently the case).
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And again I’ll go back to the question of WHY the feds need to force this on everyone to begin with.

Let the market sort it out.
I don't necessarily agree with government intervention in markets, however energy and transportation are rather critical markets and other governments around the world are pushing and investing in these new technologies. Letting the market sort it out sounds nice until you realize that we could get sorted toward the bottom. Most markets sorted themselves out and everything ended up being made in China.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 2:54 pm
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15744 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:14 pm to
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Tesla is 64k


Most people can't afford this, but make retarded financing decisions on it anyways

house of cards
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 3:15 pm
Posted by wheelr
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:15 pm to
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Thanks for your input


No problem.

Thanks for answering my question. Had a feeling you were invested in EVs.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23304 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:17 pm to
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Regarding gas plants, are you talking about natural gas?

Yes among others.

The feds don’t want anything that isn’t green being built so they can try to hit the 2030 emissions goals.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Member since Oct 2011
22187 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:18 pm to
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I love my old Jeep



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Give me a CJ, a full socket set (including the 10mm) and a few screwdrivers.



Give me an FJ40 Land Cruiser, and you can keep the tools.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18033 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:23 pm to
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Yes among others.

There's over 32GW of new gas units under construction with authorized interconnections already.
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The feds don’t want anything that isn’t green being built so they can try to hit the 2030 emissions goals.

They say one thing and do another. Thats what they do. They talk shite about nuclear but just gave it a huge subsidy.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 3:27 pm
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
23651 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:27 pm to
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I thought I was clear that no additional generation capacity is strictly required. We have enough generation capacity today to support 100% EV fleet, but that assumes the majority of charging will happen at night (which is currently the case).


I will agree with this, with a caveat. At home charging at 120 or 240V, no additional generation capacity should be needed. This would fall under the homes normal usage, which the grid SHOULD be designed for. However, if more people are supercharging, the grid will not support that, in most places.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
130907 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:32 pm to
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Now if we all get pushed to that bullshite, then our infrastructure will crumble. Can you imagine how many transformers will blow when everyone gets home at 5-530 and plugs up their car?

Part of that problem is this country’s years of failure to significantly invest in infrastructure.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 3:33 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:35 pm to
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No problem.

Thanks for answering my question. Had a feeling you were invested in EVs.
Invested and informed


Or to be more apt, I only speak on the parts of it I am informed. All the infrastructre/grid shite that Korkstand posts about, I'll never chime in because I have no clue. I stick to the stuff I know.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 3:37 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:38 pm to
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Most people can't afford this
Luckily for most people, you can get a Tesla for much cheaper than that.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. The OP who claims pro EV folks are brainwashed was spouting misinformation and downright absurd opinions on his anti-EV crusade.
Posted by G Love
Denver, CO.
Member since Jan 2011
625 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:56 pm to
Everyone I know that has one, loves it.
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