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re: Are people brainwashed with electric cars?

Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by StupidBinder
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:39 pm to
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Do you sell EVs?


In fairness to shel, the FUD-to-fact ratio with EVs is usually annoyingly high on this board
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:01 pm to
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The list of headaches with ev seems to be a reason not to go all in..no dealerships, using your own electricity...
Both of those sound like pros to me.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19485 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:06 pm to
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99.9% of the time for 99.5% of car owners, an EV would work just fine. Everyone doesn't have to continue driving ICE vehicles because one person needs to pull his horse trailer.


Well, this is just slightly hyperbolic.

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Some need more than a sedan, so they buy a pickup. They don't sit around crying because a sedan won't work for them. Some need more than a pickup, so they get a larger van. They don't sit around crying because a pickup won't handle all their needs. Some need more than a panel van, so they get a tractor and trailer.




So is the price of a Ford electric truck the same as an F150 or not, and what would be the cost of an equivalent to a 4Runner? Because that was really my only comment, some people will need a bigger car than a Chevy Bolt, so now you are looking at having to spend more than the ICE counterpart (if there even is one yet) and thus how many years to recoup the price difference
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:10 pm to
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Now if we all get pushed to that bullshite, then our infrastructure will crumble.


The transition to 100% EV fleet will require less of a total increase in power production and be stretched out over a longer period of time than the massive increase in consumption we had in the 90s.
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Can you imagine how many transformers will blow when everyone gets home at 5-530 and plugs up their car?
The number will be very close to zero, and the ones that blow were due for replacement anyway.

Anti-EV folks massively overestimate how much power will be required. Talk about brainwashed.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95637 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:11 pm to
Plugin hybrids become more attractive every day.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:12 pm to

The Volvo XC90 hybrid seems like a great deal. All electric doesn't make sense to me.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173651 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:12 pm to
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Compare a $45-50k Model 3 to a $45-50k BMW in its same class/category, why is it going to take me years to recoup anything when the car cost the same as another like car?

I suppose you have a point there
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14568 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:14 pm to
The charging time is the main issue from my perspective.
I guess if you have a short commute and can charge at home after you get off from work then it's not a big deal.
On long trips it would be a very big deal.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:21 pm to
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I just assume the anti-ev crowd hates america and wants it to fail. For the first time in 50 years american manufacturers have a head start of the newest automotive paradigm shift. For some reason a lot of supposed americans want to see us fail in this sphere and cede the advantage to Europe, china and japan.
Yep, they are rooting against American businesses and they are rooting against the American-spirit-defining ideas of self-sufficiency and self-reliance and independence which only an EV (or a horse or bicycle) can offer transportation-wise.

They are so down on America that they apparently think we can't possibly make infrastructure improvements when and where necessary. Sad.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173651 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:23 pm to
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On long trips it would be a very big deal.

Depends on how often you take long trips

And unless you're a psychopath you should probably take a few breaks to stretch your legs anyway. Drive 300 miles and stop off at a fast charger and get lunch or something
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:24 pm to
They'll figure it out about 10 years too late like they do with everything else
Posted by SUB
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:25 pm to
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Tesla is 64k and the camry is 32k..


Model 3's are not 64k. They started off at 35k (base model) when the model 3 was launched. It costs more now, but with tax rebates, you are a lot closer to a $32k camry than you make it seem.
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:26 pm to
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If you want to buy an EV, get an EV. If you want an ICE, get an ICE. If you don't want any car at all, that's fine too - just don't get one.

Why is this such a big deal?


Because eventually you won't be able to get an ICE, Dim
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:27 pm to
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Electric cars are really heavy, too. They should pay extra tax for tearing up the road.
Almost all roads are designed to support the load of a semi which weighs far more than any passenger EV. A million EVs passing one by one will cause almost zero wear and tear, and far less damage than a single vehicle which nears or exceeds the road's design limits. And given that EVs carry far fewer fluids that could potentially leak onto the road, they will likely make our roads last longer.

The anti-EV brainwashing is real.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41087 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:28 pm to
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And unless you're a psychopath you should probably take a few breaks to stretch your legs anyway. Drive 300 miles and stop off at a fast charger and get lunch or something


Some baw in the EV thread earlier this week claimed he did 16 hour road trips and only stops twice for 10 minutes each.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:28 pm to
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And given that EVs carry far fewer fluids that could potentially leak onto the road, they will likely make our roads last longer.


brainwashing proof.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:39 pm to
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How about workers who have to haul trailers for their job then drive home at the end of their day.
Those people probably know how to choose the right tool for the job. They should probably drive an ICE, and will be able to buy one, for the foreseeable future. Several decades, at least.
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We can hardly supply power when the temps get too high or low and we are just going to snap our fingers and increase our grid 50%?
Not necessary. If we could switch to 100% EVs tomorrow we'd only need about 30% more electricity production (not generation capacity, just production). But given that will take ~30 years to reach that level of adoption we're looking at about 1% per year increase in production. Far from finger snapping 50%.
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Where are you going to even find enough rare earth metals for the batteries?
Despite the name, rare earth metals are not all that rare.
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We currently have enough battery power to run a fraction of what would be required to convert the ICE fleet to electric and there aren’t enough raw materials to complete the process using existing tech.
Yes there are.
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Should we all just start taking the bus because you’ve decided what works for people you’ve never even met?
Pretty sure the politics and economics won't allow that to happen.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:39 pm to
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brainwashing proof.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112857 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:42 pm to
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Do you sell EVs?

No, I buy them.

Anything I said in this thread that you disagree with?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112857 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:49 pm to
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EV’s have a place in the automotive world, much like exotics, but they’re not practical for the everyday joe/Jane

Quite the opposite IMO. They're very practical for the every day joe/jane driver.

They may not be practical for the less common person who drives 250+ miles round trip per day or very often, or will need to tow a trailer fairly often.

But the above isn't the norm, it's the outlier, and thus the every day driver, an EV is far more practical than a gas powered vehicle IMO.
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