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re: Are people brainwashed with electric cars?
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:45 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:45 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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If you want to buy an EV, get an EV. If you want an ICE, get an ICE. If you don't want any car at all, that's fine too - just don't get one.
Why is this such a big deal?
Because the government is in process of eliminating ICE engines through pressuring the manufacturers when the raw materials and infrastructure required to move entirely to electric doesn't currently exist, not to mention the technology simply doesn't accomplish what a sizable segment of the current ICE users require from a use standpoint.
If the government were to let the market figure it out everything would be fine, but just like trying to ban gas stoves they have to make it political so its going to be political.
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:46 am to bleedsgarnet
I don't want to be forced into an EV and I don't own one and don't have immediate plans to do so
But people sometimes act like there are no appealing features of Teslas aside from claimed environmental impacts, and that's just ridiculous
But people sometimes act like there are no appealing features of Teslas aside from claimed environmental impacts, and that's just ridiculous
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:48 am to nes2010
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Because they are also working to ban ICE vehicles?
So fricking what?
I'm pretty sure that no matter what happens, you'll still be able to get from Point A to Point B.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:49 am to bleedsgarnet
Over a 5 year stretch, the Tesla 3 has a $.63/mile true cost. Camry is in the $.53/mile range. EVs have advantages such has charging at home (no fuel stops), no oil changes, etc. That gap in price will shrink in the upcoming years as ICE is phased out.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:51 am to tide06
that's a government issue and i agree it's stupid (
i also think it won't actually happen on their proposed timetable - but that's a separate discussion), not an issue with the actual cars or tech.
i also think it won't actually happen on their proposed timetable - but that's a separate discussion), not an issue with the actual cars or tech.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:51 am to bleedsgarnet
You mean electricity that comes from the magic electric charging stations?
I think they grow that stuff in the fields next to where they grow the boneless chickens and fish with no heads.
I think they grow that stuff in the fields next to where they grow the boneless chickens and fish with no heads.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 9:54 am
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:54 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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So fricking what?
I'm pretty sure that no matter what happens, you'll still be able to get from Point A to Point B.
Idgaf about climate change and they are an inferior product for my use case
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:55 am to bleedsgarnet
They are brainwashed into thinking EVs are better for the environment than newer gas engines. That is without a doubt 100% factual. From there I think it is personal preference. If costs were the same, I'd probably go the electric route because charging at my home every night would be a nice convenience. I won't pay double for that convenience though.
And buying them because you think you are doing good for the planet? That just shows ones ignorance/stupidity/brainwashing
And buying them because you think you are doing good for the planet? That just shows ones ignorance/stupidity/brainwashing
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:55 am to WDE24
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I work with a guy that has owned a Tesla for 4+ years. He has no complaints about any ev headaches.
That's because there aren't many people who actually have EV. Now if we all get pushed to that bullshite, then our infrastructure will crumble. Can you imagine how many transformers will blow when everyone gets home at 5-530 and plugs up their car?
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:57 am to Pettifogger
quote:i assume they've never taken a ride in a tesla model s. it's incredible and feels not of this earth.
But people sometimes act like there are no appealing features of Teslas aside from claimed environmental impacts, and that's just ridiculous
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:57 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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If you want to buy an EV, get an EV. If you want an ICE, get an ICE. If you don't want any car at all, that's fine too - just don't get one.
Why is this such a big deal?
It's a big deal because several states have advised that they will adopt California's ban regulation on all sales of gas powered/ICE vehicles by 2035. Does it affect anyone at this moment in 2023, no not directly. But this is a future powder keg especially if these draconian sanctions pick up steam over the next decade, and we would be past the point of return imo.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:59 am to bleedsgarnet
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sell me on why this makes sense.
No one can sell you on what you don't want to buy.
I have a buddy in Dallas who drives a Tesla and he absolutely loves it. He uses it for driving around town and also drives it back and forth to Acadiana, no problems. It's a really nice car to drive.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:59 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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So fricking what? I'm pretty sure that no matter what happens, you'll still be able to get from Point A to Point B.
While towing a boat? Nope.
Without having to build a bunch of power plants to charge the vehicles? Nope.
Without having to wait excessive amounts of time to charge my vehicle while traveling across the country? Nope
Without paying the Chinese to force African children to mine rare earth metals for the batteries? Nope.
You want one awesome they are pretty cool for some things. They just don’t work for what I need them to do yet and there is no reason for the government to get involved.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:00 am to bleedsgarnet
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Tesla is 64k and the camry is 32k..
I am amazed at this. It's double the cost.
No it’s not.
The standard range Model 3 starts at about $46K.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:01 am to bleedsgarnet
people are just simple. When you make decisions based on a feel good lie (saving the planet) facts and reality cannot help you.
Most people who embrace electric cars have no idea how electricity is created and what fuels the process. Just ask them.
Most people who embrace electric cars have no idea how electricity is created and what fuels the process. Just ask them.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:01 am to TigerTatorTots
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They are brainwashed into thinking EVs are better for the environment than newer gas engines. That is without a doubt 100% factual.
Brainwashed to accept "100% factual" information? That doesn't sound like brainwashing to me.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:01 am to tide06
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Because the government is in process of eliminating ICE engines through pressuring the manufacturers when the raw materials and infrastructure required to move entirely to electric doesn't currently exist, not to mention the technology simply doesn't accomplish what a sizable segment of the current ICE users require from a use standpoint.
If the government were to let the market figure it out everything would be fine, but just like trying to ban gas stoves they have to make it political so its going to be political.
Again, so fricking what? Do you honestly think you won't be able to get around anymore?
Back in the 90s the Government introduced expensive CAFE standards for cars. The major car makers decided to push their truck lines as they were exempt from CAFE, and they had a bigger profit margin anyway. They went on a national campaign to convince people to buy trucks instead of cars.
That led to the F150 becoming the most sold vehicle by the end of the 90s, and pickup trucks the most popular vehicle today. Who was crying about us being manipulated into buying expensive, giant gas-guzzling vehicles back in the 90s?
But you're letting yourself get worked up over something that won't happen for decades - if ever at all. Relax, gasoline will be around for a long time - it may get more expensive, but it'll be around.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:02 am to bleedsgarnet
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Are people brainwashed with electric cars?
In O&G states like Louisiana it's controversial because the oilfield baws (and executives) see them as fricking with their future.
Also, for reasons unknown to me, some fringe conservative types have lashed out at them similar to the hatred of Toyota/Honda/etc back in the 70's. They too think that a world that somehow embraces electric energy is a pipe dream that bizarrely threatens some Rush Limbaugh utopia.
When Elon bought Tesla, he completely fricked up the apple cart by making cars that were as cool as shite. The lazy American car makers were like "Aw shite - now we have to innovate and create new stuff" so that really started the whole thing.
In the end, electric cars are going to overtake the market and will become the norm. There is nothing that will stop it short of the government straight up refusing to build more charger stations which they aren't going to do.
So buy whatever you want for now because you have that luxury - but regardless, electric cars will be the majority in the next decade+ whether you like it or not.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:03 am to tide06
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While towing a boat? Nope. Without having to build a bunch of power plants to charge the vehicles? Nope. Without having to wait excessive amounts of time to charge my vehicle while traveling across the country? Nope Without paying the Chinese to force African children to mine rare earth metals for the batteries? Nope.
Not to mention they are completely useless during a power outage…which can be weeks following a hurricane.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:05 am to fallguy_1978
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California is supposed to ban sales of new ones by 2035
I think they’re going to walk this stupidity back real quick when they wake up and realize how many California-headquartered companies who rely on ICE vehicles are planning to leave.
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