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re: Are indoor malls making a comeback?
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:48 am to parrothead
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:48 am to parrothead
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galleria
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lack of obvious ratchetry,
The Houston galleria?
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:48 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Why is Lakeside Mall still successful?
I grew up in Metairie in the 60's and 70's, I watched Lakeside grow and become enclosed, it is thriving for some simple reasons:
1. It was the first thing out there, all of the satellite stores and restaurants wanted in on the action and became part of the growth.
2. It was easy to get to, there wasn't much traffic.
3. Metairie is spread out with no real "downtown", Lakeside filled that niche. It became the place that had everything and it was surrounded by some excellent restaurants. We'd go shopping, then head for The Peppermill, or Drago's or many other choices.
4. Safety - The Good. As the 60's ended Canal St. shopping became more hazardous, Purse snatching was a constant threat. When we were 10 we could take the Metairie bus and the streetcar to Canal St. to go see a movie, that disappeared when the drug culture ascended.
5. Safety - The Bad. Even at Lakeside there are issues. Once I dropped my wife off at Dillards, then went to park where I could see when she came out. I saw a van a few rows away, mallrats would run up to the van, jump in, conduct some type of transaction, then jump out of the van tucking something in their pocket. and run off. A few minutes later another mallrat would do the same thing. It became apparent this was a dealer selling drugs, likely to young mall workers.
This was about 1986, the company I worked for put an early cell phone in my car. I called the cops and within minutes JPSO was swarming all over the van. Call me a rat, but we had already had an OD family death in 1985.
I grew up in Metairie in the 60's and 70's, I watched Lakeside grow and become enclosed, it is thriving for some simple reasons:
1. It was the first thing out there, all of the satellite stores and restaurants wanted in on the action and became part of the growth.
2. It was easy to get to, there wasn't much traffic.
3. Metairie is spread out with no real "downtown", Lakeside filled that niche. It became the place that had everything and it was surrounded by some excellent restaurants. We'd go shopping, then head for The Peppermill, or Drago's or many other choices.
4. Safety - The Good. As the 60's ended Canal St. shopping became more hazardous, Purse snatching was a constant threat. When we were 10 we could take the Metairie bus and the streetcar to Canal St. to go see a movie, that disappeared when the drug culture ascended.
5. Safety - The Bad. Even at Lakeside there are issues. Once I dropped my wife off at Dillards, then went to park where I could see when she came out. I saw a van a few rows away, mallrats would run up to the van, jump in, conduct some type of transaction, then jump out of the van tucking something in their pocket. and run off. A few minutes later another mallrat would do the same thing. It became apparent this was a dealer selling drugs, likely to young mall workers.
This was about 1986, the company I worked for put an early cell phone in my car. I called the cops and within minutes JPSO was swarming all over the van. Call me a rat, but we had already had an OD family death in 1985.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:50 am to Dire Wolf
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The Houston galleria?
Hit that mall up in the 80's. A family vacation to Astroworld and Astros game and getting stuck in traffic trying to get to the galleria mall is what I remember as a youngster.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:56 am to FLBooGoTigs1
They’re popular as hell in the UAE because it’s too damn hot to be outside for half the year.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:00 am to FLBooGoTigs1
A good mall is proactive. A good mall constantly upgrades and renovates, and introduce new ideas for stores. All the abandoned ones are basically the slum lord mindset. Maximize profits and minimize expenses. Problem is that eventually chases away the consumer and the mall gets upside down and renovating it becomes a daunting task, so it’s left to rot.
Example is the Lakeside mall compared to the Slidell former mall, and esplanade. Esplanade was better than Lakeside when it opened, but lakeside had the better business mindset.
Example is the Lakeside mall compared to the Slidell former mall, and esplanade. Esplanade was better than Lakeside when it opened, but lakeside had the better business mindset.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:03 am to turnpiketiger
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I do see Greenspoint making a comeback in the next 10 years or so the hipsters are coming in. It will be a gentrification hotspot
the apartments around there are so shitty. Gunspoint is never getting gentrified. Plenty of work around there with all the warehousing but that area is going to stay ghetto cause it's littered with old run-down housing.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:09 am to Mariner
quote:Ownership willing to spend $$ on the property for maintenance, upkeep and a leasing company working their arse off back-filling vacant spaces to keep the appearance of well leased & thriving facility is what keeps the few remaining enclosed centers open.
A good mall is proactive. A good mall constantly upgrades and renovates, and introduce new ideas for stores. All the abandoned ones are basically the slum lord mindset. Maximize profits and minimize expenses. Problem is that eventually chases away the consumer and the mall gets upside down and renovating it becomes a daunting task, so it’s left to rot.
Example is the Lakeside mall compared to the Slidell former mall, and esplanade. Esplanade was better than Lakeside when it opened, but lakeside had the better business mindset.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:14 am to redstick13
The wife loves malls because she is a shopper. I am polar opposite. I hate shopping but it was nice going back yesterday and seeing people walking around and seeing the food court again. My wife already told me if and when the zombie Apocalypse happens she is going straight to the mall I believe she has watched to many movies.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:23 am to RT1941
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The mall has to have Dept Stores (anchors) and national brands to drive traffic. National tenants pay miniscule rents, either a tiny % of gross sales or very low fixed rent.
In some areas, the anchors actually own the land they sit on.
That was why Dillards stayed open for so long after Cortana Mall shut down. Also, it created a unique situation for the new St. George.
In 2014, while the scuttlebutt was going on between the city of Baton Rouge and the organizers of St. George, Baton Rouge poached the mall while anchors stayed in St. George. Unless that changed with the second vote of St. George.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:24 am to LemmyLives
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And Sony just announced they will no longer produce BluRays. You're over-romanticizing things you see in your FB feed.
Don’t have Facebook but thanks for the assumption.
Actually going by the shitloads of teenagers that are around my house at all times. Anecdotal sure. But it’s in no way unique to them.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 11:27 am
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:35 am to turnpiketiger
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but I do see Greenspoint making a comeback in the next 10 years or so the hipsters are coming in. It will be a gentrification hotspot
hmmm, i think Greenspoint is probably too far gone for that. Hipsters better be rocking bullet proof vests 24/7
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:38 am to member12
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Where they have shitty weather, no competition, and good demographics.
I don't think that's what he meant.
I could be wrong.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:46 am to cgrand
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how is this policed? Is there a doorman? Is there a limit as to how many yutes can be supervised by each adult?
Good questions, dunno.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:06 pm to SoDakHawk
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Regarding Stranger Things, I would be interested to find out if the mall used in Stranger Things is the same mall/set used for Fast Times at Ridgemont High. The two-level, circular design looks identical. I realize that mall design was very popular, so maybe just a coincidence.
I have a friend who worked on Stranger Things. They filmed those mall scenes somewhere in the suburbs of Atlanta.
But, yeah, it does have a similar design to the LA mall where they filmed so many 80s movies.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:08 pm to GetCocky11
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Columbia's one mall had a huge shootout a few
Columbia at one time had 4 malls but Columbiana is the last one and it's shady. The Richland mall is being torn down to build a park. Columbia Mall had the police there so much they just turned it into government offices and poor Dutch Square died decades ago ( though it was my hangout in the 70's and 80's)
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:22 pm to The Boat
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For the most part, they never left the Houston area. The Woodlands Mall and the Galleria are just as good as they’ve ever been
All it takes is a huge population base and money…… like anything else
The biggest thing being lots of young people... pre-teens, teens, young adults. Without that, they die. When you look at the places they close, the tipping point thing is an aging population and fewer teens. That's a cycle that hits areas and even entire cities. It's why "neighborhood schools" can't really be a thing these days, because there's not enough kids in the neighborhoods that the schools are in, anymore...
here's a fun website if nobody has posted it here:
https://www.deadmalls.com/
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:24 pm to Klark Kent
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hmmm, i think Greenspoint is probably too far gone for that. Hipsters better be rocking bullet proof vests 24/7
way too far gone. Covered that area for my old company. Lot of warehousing and jobs but it is miles of low income apartment complexes.
Nothing is appealing besides low rent for hipsters to move there. It is unsalvageable unless they nuke every complex that looks like this
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:29 pm to mikelbr
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Are indoor malls making a comeback?
We went to the Mall of La(Bluebonnet @ I-10 in Baton Rouge) over the holidays.
I enjoyed it. Seeing so many people out and about shopping and eating and stuff.
I know it was the holidays but the mall here was packed early and often(we went 3 times over a week).
Could be something to it.
My jr high student Daughter and her friends - a little clique of "hipsters" who don't like anything that's too popular - hang out at the Mall of LA on Saturdays sometimes... I was surprised when she first asked to go. But she and her friends are all spread out as far as where they live (they're in a gifted program at school) and the Mall of LA is kind of a central point. Otherwise, they only communicate on devices and don't get to see each other at school that much as time goes on because of how things are scheduled. I had friends in the neighborhood when I was a kid, or close by... I think that could be something that's fueling it.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:31 pm to Dire Wolf
That doesn't look that bad...
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:34 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
I haven’t been in Alexandria Mall in years but I saw Aeropostale is closing soon. I went there often in my college years.
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This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 12:36 pm
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