re: Apparently Indians that lived along the gulf coast were pretty tall

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there are tribes in Africa where it is common to have 7 foot plus individuals

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OK. Name them.

Mutombo

i wonder what the native american civilizations were like before the diseases plague. must be like atlantis or a wakanda . floating gardens .

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My comment was in response to the post challenging the existence of some native Americans being 8 feet tall since we don’t have their skeletons.

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Well this is something else entirely. Even from fossilized remains that are incomplete, you can glean lots of information. For example, one specimen found in Australia, dated to 50k years ago, was estimated to be well over six foot. Since there wasn’t a standard of measurement that was, well, standardized, relying on descriptions alone without any fossil evidence at all leaves you prone to functions of rhetoric. And what the data has found is that there was a decrease in average human height after the Neolithic era, and that discrepancy may serve as the basis of the descriptions, but since we are relying on those descriptions alone, we can only proportion belief according to the available evidence.

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Can anyone recommend a good book on the eastern native American tribes?

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George Stiggins wrote a history of the Creeks and most every subsequent book quotes him. They don't always agree with his takes, especially the modern historians, but he's kind of the starting point. He was William Weatherford's brother in law.

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It's not the easiest read, but it's a good book.

Pickett's History of Alabama (up to 1850) is another interesting book, if you can find it.

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Frank Owsley, an Auburn professor wrote Struggle for the Gulf Borderlands which covers the Creek War and Jackson's movements through Alabama, Florida and Louisiana. It's a good book.

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A Conquering Spirit is a good book about those days too.

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He later became a medicine man or healer and moved from tribe to tribe

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Kind of like Claire on Outlander.

It seems patronizing when we make a big deal out of “mounds”. The tourists file past with “oh, look how cute, honey. They were able to make a pile of dirt!”

Why is it indigenous peoples of North America didn’t advance much beyond mounds and structures like those of Pueblo Cliff dwellings? It isn’t as if there was not stone. Were there any stone monuments or cities in North America at least on par with those of the Inca that, as advanced as they were for South America were still primitive compared to the works of the Egyptians?

It just occurred to me that the Maya were in what we today refer to as Central America, which is part of North America. But outside of that, little use of stone construction in North America.

One answer might be the lack of beasts of burden. But both the Maya and Inca also lacked beasts of burden. A better explanation might be as simple as lack of, or absence of, cities. Which begs the question: Why no cities?

You're probably right. That's what he was thinking.

The Dinka are very tall on average, but people 7 feet tall plus are not common.

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Randal Carlson

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Episode 501 is what got me listening to Rogan.

Randall Carlsons view on everything is just awesome.
Human reset 11k years ago
Views on climate change are very refreshing