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re: AP: Parents begged cops to enter school as shooting unfolded. Cops refused
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:03 pm to Palmetto98
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:03 pm to Palmetto98
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Again, he was able to lock himself in a classroom with kids hostage with an AR-15 and previous knowledge of shooting victims. There is no magical answer to this scenario, but could he have pulled this off with a Glock pistol?
And again, SOP has been clear since Columbine, if an active shooter threat remains, you aggressively move toward the perp.
And emerging info states the initial officers were able to engage the suspect in that classroom, and the special forces 90 minutes later were able to enter and engage also according to witnesses, so, this notion the killer was in some sort of impenetrable location is just hogwash.
The questions as to why officers pulled back and didnt engage for 90 minutes raises lots of valid questions, especially post-Parkland, where, it turned out, over 7 deputies on the scene did nothing for an extended period of time and additional kids ended up dead in that time space.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 12:06 pm
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:09 pm to Palmetto98
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There is no magical answer to this scenario, but could he have pulled this off with a Glock pistol?
is this a serious question?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:13 pm to red sox fan 13
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This seems to always happen when you get a school shooting. Police who don’t do their job in these scenarios should be fired at best prosecuted at worst
Accessory to murder charge/Aiding and abetting. Lock those dudes up. This is why I carry; cannot trust anyone to help you in a time a need.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:13 pm to Bronc
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And again, SOP has been clear since Columbine, if an active shooter threat remains, you aggressively move toward the perp.
I would bet you are wrong on this SOP once the suspect is contained. Its most likely SOP to engage a suspect that is walking around. But once they are contained, my guess is that it is no longer SOP to actively move toward them.
There are some reports that there were still kids around him. So we'll see what the truth is.
The reality though is that if he was holed up in a classroom with kids still alive, I'm not sure you want a non tactical team to breach. Its really hard to say anything without more details.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:18 pm to baldona
The emerging timeline is it was the officers, not the suspect, that created the barrier, and that the killer was actively shooting throughout the period, and it was suspected kids were still in areas of the school.
Which means the police could have engaged at any time they wanted. But 90 minutes passed, kids died, and a rag tag group of outside LEO's took over the responsibilities of actually doing something(which witness accounts ae they didnt do great either).
I know a lot of you are desperate to keep up the illusion of the selfless hero officers that will risk it all to save their communities, but the reality tends to paint a different picture, and after Parkland, they deserve zero benefit of the doubt.
Which means the police could have engaged at any time they wanted. But 90 minutes passed, kids died, and a rag tag group of outside LEO's took over the responsibilities of actually doing something(which witness accounts ae they didnt do great either).
I know a lot of you are desperate to keep up the illusion of the selfless hero officers that will risk it all to save their communities, but the reality tends to paint a different picture, and after Parkland, they deserve zero benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:19 pm to Bronc
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The emerging timeline
Where did you find this?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:20 pm to baldona
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I would bet you are wrong on this SOP once the suspect is contained.
He said active shooter. Doesn’t matter where the shooter is, if he’s walking around or staying in one room firing shots, you go in.
It’s been stated over and over, IF SHOTS ARE BEING FIRED, you move to the threat and stop them.
You’re only correct if it’s a barricaded suspect who is not firing shots.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:21 pm to baldona
Honestly I do think we should bring back public hangings for cowardly cops who won’t intervene in school shootings. Make it as public as possible, dig up everything you can on the cop and humiliate him as much as humanly possible in the media over the course of a month or two and then finally put him out of his misery. The next cop caught up in a similar situation who remembers that will know there are only one of three options:
A) He goes in, shoots or captures the shooter, and comes out a hero.
B) He dies the hero being shot by the shooter.
C) He dies a coward months later and will be reviled forever.
A) He goes in, shoots or captures the shooter, and comes out a hero.
B) He dies the hero being shot by the shooter.
C) He dies a coward months later and will be reviled forever.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:26 pm to Palmetto98
quote:Yes, and it would have been easier.
There is no magical answer to this scenario, but could he have pulled this off with a Glock pistol?
- You can conceal a handgun.
- Magazines and ammunition for handguns weigh less and take up less space.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:30 pm to UpToPar
DPS Director Steve McGraw
In response to questioning stated police created the barricade, they put a tactical team together(took 60-90 minutes), then reengaged the suspect. A suspect that countless witnesses state was continuing to fire from his location at regular frequency. This is a change in narrative from prior where the police claimed the suspect barricaded himself.
In response to questioning stated police created the barricade, they put a tactical team together(took 60-90 minutes), then reengaged the suspect. A suspect that countless witnesses state was continuing to fire from his location at regular frequency. This is a change in narrative from prior where the police claimed the suspect barricaded himself.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:32 pm to OMLandshark
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Honestly I do think we should bring back public hangings for cowardly cops who won’t intervene in school shootings. Make it as public as possible, dig up everything you can on the cop and humiliate him as much as humanly possible in the media over the course of a month or two and then finally put him out of his misery. The next cop caught up in a similar situation who remembers that will know there are only one of three options:
A) He goes in, shoots or captures the shooter, and comes out a hero.
B) He dies the hero being shot by the shooter.
C) He dies a coward months later and will be reviled forever.
Some of you are absolutely fricking insane
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:33 pm to baldona
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The reality though is that if he was holed up in a classroom with kids still alive, I'm not sure you want a non tactical team to breach.
Tell me...what is the downside of a "non-tactical team" trying to get to the shooter? Some adults (officers or civilians) may lose their lives, but that for damn sure will take the shooters attention away from the children that he's killing, and eventually, he will be over taken. The downside of not breaching is children dying.
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I'm not sure you want a non tactical team to breach
How is this a question again?
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:38 pm to AUCE05
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We limit speech. We limit protesting. Both protected rights in this country. We need to admit this is a problem.
There are already limits in place. This maniac violated several of them.
Take a look around the country. Criminals everywhere are out of control. Good luck convincing everyone it's time for them to give up their access to weapons suitable for stopping armed attackers when they've done nothing wrong.
I am beyond sick of the left trying to say if you dare disagree with their hatred for the second amendment you somehow "condone" shite like this. They can dive off a cliff.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:38 pm to Bronc
"Ramos moved toward the school and entered through a back door, DPS Director Steven McCraw said. A school resource officer “engaged” him but no shots were fired, he said.
The suspect dropped a bag full of ammunition outside of the school during that encounter and ran inside, Estrada told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. DPS is investigating what happened during the interaction with the officer.
The suspect then barricaded himself in a classroom and an adjoining classroom opened fire at those inside. All of the 19 children and two teachers killed were in those rooms, DPS spokesperson Lt. Chris Olivarez said.
“The initial group of officers that were on scene, at that point, they were at a point of disadvantage because the shooter was able to barricade himself inside that classroom. There was not sufficient manpower at that time and their main, their primary focus was preserve any further loss of life,” Olivarez said. “So they started breaking windows around the school, and trying to rescue, evacuate children and teachers while that was going on.”
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The suspect dropped a bag full of ammunition outside of the school during that encounter and ran inside, Estrada told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. DPS is investigating what happened during the interaction with the officer.
The suspect then barricaded himself in a classroom and an adjoining classroom opened fire at those inside. All of the 19 children and two teachers killed were in those rooms, DPS spokesperson Lt. Chris Olivarez said.
“The initial group of officers that were on scene, at that point, they were at a point of disadvantage because the shooter was able to barricade himself inside that classroom. There was not sufficient manpower at that time and their main, their primary focus was preserve any further loss of life,” Olivarez said. “So they started breaking windows around the school, and trying to rescue, evacuate children and teachers while that was going on.”
CNN Link
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:39 pm to oleheat
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I am beyond sick of the left trying to say if you dare disagree with their hatred for the second amendment you somehow "condone" shite like this. They can dive off a cliff.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:39 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Some of you are absolutely fricking insane
That would make them think twice about being a fricking coward and go in and save the kids. I guarantee that policy would be effective and only used once. If we did that to the Broward Cowards and their piece of shite sheriff Scott Israel, I guarantee these cops would have stormed into that school.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:45 pm to baldona
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All of the 19 children and two teachers killed were in those rooms
horrible
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:46 pm to baldona
I'm confused on this barricade thing. Fire codes require egress windows in all classrooms, so there had to be at least one window in addition to the door. One group goes to the door and the other group engages from the window.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:47 pm to baldona
They've updated since then with more official statements from Department of Public Safety spokesman Chris Olivarez:
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The gunman then entered a classroom, which was attached to an adjoining classroom, and barricaded himself inside for about 40 to 60 minutes, Olivarez said. All of the 21 killed and 17 injured were inside those classrooms, officials have said.
“We’re still trying to establish if that classroom was locked, and if it was locked, was there some type of barricade, was there some type of locking mechanism that did not allow those officers to make entry,” he said.
The lengthy barricade situation raises serious questions about how police responded to the shooting. Since the Columbine school shooting of 1999, emergency protocol in such situations is to end the threat as quickly as possible because fatalities occur in seconds to minutes.
“It’s almost incomprehensible for me to come up with a rational explanation as to why you would wait 30 minutes to an hour to get in there,” said Andrew McCabe, CNN senior law enforcement analyst. “The door breaching, if it’s just a locked door, that doesn’t take 30 minutes to get into.”
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:50 pm to Bronc
Criminal charges for these police officers if they just set by why this was happening
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