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re: Anyone here ever been to a bull fight?
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:51 pm to theantiquetiger
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:51 pm to theantiquetiger
I have a vague memory of going to a bullfight when i was a really little kid with my parents.
A guy died. It really fricked me up.
I asked them about it years later and they totally denied it. But I know what I saw.
A guy died. It really fricked me up.
I asked them about it years later and they totally denied it. But I know what I saw.
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:03 pm to theantiquetiger
Used to go in the early 80s to Laredo. They had a new dog/horse race track (which was pitiful) and Bull Fights every 2 weekends. Three friends and I drove down from Houston where I lived and worked and partied in BoysTown.
We used to do the Bull Fights and do some serious betting. I got drunk one weekend and signed up for the Novidates fights. Newcomers with little training... Bull just stood there staring at me as if in disbelief. It snorted (I think sneezed) and walked away. Crowd cheered and I walked out of the ring. Got a plaque and a ribbon.
Negative side of all that was the killing of bulls, even though they supposedly gave the meat away to the poor.
77 years old here and true dat :-))
We used to do the Bull Fights and do some serious betting. I got drunk one weekend and signed up for the Novidates fights. Newcomers with little training... Bull just stood there staring at me as if in disbelief. It snorted (I think sneezed) and walked away. Crowd cheered and I walked out of the ring. Got a plaque and a ribbon.
Negative side of all that was the killing of bulls, even though they supposedly gave the meat away to the poor.
77 years old here and true dat :-))
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:20 am to theantiquetiger
I went to one in Arles, France. Honestly, if it was one guy vs the bull, that would be cool. But having a bunch of people bleed/weaken the bull before the matador gets his shot makes it a bit cruel. Rooting for the bull by the end.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:26 am to theantiquetiger
Never had any interest in seeing that.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 4:31 am to 225Rebel
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You should read Death in the Afternoon by Ernest Hemingway.
“Mexico” by James Michener is a great read. It covers bullfighting in detail.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:08 am to theantiquetiger
Once, in Juarez. I was in a STRAC unit stationed at Fort Bliss; it was probably in 1964. I was dating a woman I met at a dance at the Fort Bliss Officer's Club. Her father was a retired officer; I was either a 1st Lt, or Captain at the time.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 6:46 am to theantiquetiger
You should definitely try to see one in Pamplona if you can. Read one of the aforementioned books before so you know what’s going on. I felt like I had stepped back in time going to one, and apparently the Pamplona fights during Running of the Bulls are a much more lively spectacle (the crowd, as Celery mentioned) than most other fights throughout the year.
The fights are either very good or okay. They all start out well. A good matador that can quickly kill a bull is incredible to watch, while a struggling bullfighter needs to just get it over with and take the L. The problem is when a bad matador still tries to showboat on a worn down bull. That’s when the crowd jeering indicates he went too far, has lost, and subsequently degraded his reputation.
I am surprised by all the bleeding heart liberal responses throughout this thread. The bull will die by the sword, whether it wins or loses the fight. That means blood, stumbling, and confusion. If you don’t want to see it, don’t go. They are bred for hundreds of years to kill, be extremely aggressive, and fight to the death.
The fights are either very good or okay. They all start out well. A good matador that can quickly kill a bull is incredible to watch, while a struggling bullfighter needs to just get it over with and take the L. The problem is when a bad matador still tries to showboat on a worn down bull. That’s when the crowd jeering indicates he went too far, has lost, and subsequently degraded his reputation.
I am surprised by all the bleeding heart liberal responses throughout this thread. The bull will die by the sword, whether it wins or loses the fight. That means blood, stumbling, and confusion. If you don’t want to see it, don’t go. They are bred for hundreds of years to kill, be extremely aggressive, and fight to the death.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:21 am to theantiquetiger
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Anyone here ever been to a bull fight?
Yep in Seville Spain and was HUGELY disappointed. I rooted for the bull but realized the bull really has no chance.
Side note - if you go into a bar/restaurant in Seville you'll probably notice a framed pic of a bull when you first walk in; that's what they're serving.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:24 am to theantiquetiger
It’s pretty inhuman and I hunt, basically just wearing the thing down so the bullfighter gets easy kill shot
Posted on 2/7/23 at 8:08 am to Lake Vegas Tiger
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basically just wearing the thing down so the bullfighter gets easy kill shot
It's worse than that. Before the bull "fight" even start they pretty much stab the bull with these decorative things so the bull is bleeding out during the "fight."
PS - it's not a fight
Posted on 2/7/23 at 8:28 am to Lakefront-Tiger
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:01 am to LegendInMyMind
Beat me to it.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:03 am to theantiquetiger
Shared the ring with one when I was trying to load out a pair of 2800# bulls to go to the sale barn. Pen was about 18' x 24' and it got really nasty. When the younger one lifted the older one by picking it up in the air with his horns in it's belly, the older one left out the loudest and most primeval scream I could have ever imagined. I thought that it had been disemboweled and I think that it thought so too because when it hit the ground it turned and crashed thru the side of the pen which had 5" posts on 5' centers overlaid by mesh cattle panels and three horizontal rows of two by sixes. It splintered the planks and ripped the end of the mesh panel where it was attached to the nearest post and dove through like a rat going down it's hole. After doing some patching, I proceeded to load the remaining bull but I had one heck of a time to convince the other one with the sore belly that it wanted to go back in the load out pen. 
Might feel sorry for the buyer as there had to be a lot of damaged flesh on those two carcasses. Fortunately none of the damaged flesh was mine as they had me backed against the side of a shed with no way to climb out. 
Might feel sorry for the buyer as there had to be a lot of damaged flesh on those two carcasses. Fortunately none of the damaged flesh was mine as they had me backed against the side of a shed with no way to climb out. 
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:06 am to ImaObserver
Saw one in Spain on a foreign study in the early '90's. Most of the girls in our group were crying. One of the bullfighters did a poor job killing the thing and I seem to remember they had to bring in a couple of other guys to finish the job. 
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:32 am to theantiquetiger
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:50 am to ultralite
The bull fight is a great spectacle full of pageantry. All this faux outrage coming from those who have never been to a cattle, sheep, pig slaughterhouse. Millions of cattle are raised in pens and marched to the slaughterhouse and die a miserable uncelebrated death. Let them eat their Big Macs and Whoppers in ignorant bliss.
The fighting bull is raised free range in Spain and Portugal. They are well taken care of and celebrated. Their life and death culminate in the bull fight. Yes, it is a fight and a dance between the bull and the matador. Injuries to the matador are common and rarely fatal. The bleeding that depletes the bull of its energy must not be excessive but just enough to calm its frenetic reactions which allows a graceful dance between matador and bull and increases the chance of a clean kill.
I humbly recommend reading Michener's Iberia section on on bullfighting and Hemingway's Death in the Afternoon
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The term matador means killer in Spanish. Everyone has an option of not going to a bull fight. Clearly people put their heads in the sand by not visiting the local abattoir.
The fighting bull is raised free range in Spain and Portugal. They are well taken care of and celebrated. Their life and death culminate in the bull fight. Yes, it is a fight and a dance between the bull and the matador. Injuries to the matador are common and rarely fatal. The bleeding that depletes the bull of its energy must not be excessive but just enough to calm its frenetic reactions which allows a graceful dance between matador and bull and increases the chance of a clean kill.
I humbly recommend reading Michener's Iberia section on on bullfighting and Hemingway's Death in the Afternoon
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The term matador means killer in Spanish. Everyone has an option of not going to a bull fight. Clearly people put their heads in the sand by not visiting the local abattoir.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:56 am to FlyFishinTiger
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Let them eat their Big Macs and Whoppers in ignorant bliss.
don't tell them about veal baw
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:39 am to 777Tiger
Went to one in peru in early 2000s. I hunt fish grew up around dairy and on cash crop farm. I didn't enjoy the bullfight, too slow a death for the bull. I wouldn't go again. My dad went to one in Mx in 1960 and brought back a set of horns that i still have. I see all the back and forth on the issue but its not for me. Not going to judge. Went w a local and he explained it all to me.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:41 am to theantiquetiger
I went to Spain as a teen and the family decided to see a bull fight. Everything I knew about bull fights at the time was based on Looney Tunes of all things. Thought it was just the Matador and the bull. I was wrong. It was the bull and a few guys on horses first. The horses had some type of armor. The bull would attack the horse and the rider would stab it.
Then the Matador came in danced around with the bull and ended its misery with more spears, then finally his sword. As a teen I was shocked. I wasn't expecting all of that but it was cool to see.
Afterward we found ourselves at a market and saw they they sold damn near every single part of the cow and it somehow made me feel better.
Then the Matador came in danced around with the bull and ended its misery with more spears, then finally his sword. As a teen I was shocked. I wasn't expecting all of that but it was cool to see.
Afterward we found ourselves at a market and saw they they sold damn near every single part of the cow and it somehow made me feel better.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 4:02 pm to theantiquetiger
Yeah! I went to one when I was in the Navy, ported in Rota, Spain. The BullRing/Fight was in Seville.
I took a picture just as the Matador was shoving his sword into the Bulls Neck. (Not planned, just happenstance). It was clean kill.
I actually felt sympathy for the Bull.
I took a picture just as the Matador was shoving his sword into the Bulls Neck. (Not planned, just happenstance). It was clean kill.
I actually felt sympathy for the Bull.
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